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    Ac install prices and info. Sorry very long

    I've been looking at a post that was done earlier. People telling this guy it's to high and I got mine for this.

    To the op of that post. Yes a 10 year old air handler that is tripping a does not need replacing. Most generally that is a bad connection on element, connecting parts or breaker. You need to find someone else.

    Now on prices. His price was good of everything was being replaced.

    Some of you on here that are bragging about how cheep you got it. Well it was cheep for a reason. You will found out in about 2 years when your replacing the compressor.

    I'm not meaning to make to many people on here mad. But here is some facts. And it's all on the Internet also. Do some research.

    Let's start with air flow. All units require a certain amount to be able to do its job. So let's look at a 3 ton. That means depending on seer rating that unit requires 1050 to 1200 cfm to work correctly. This unit requirs .8 static max for the blower on the average unit to perform at these levels of cfm required.

    So for you that have the unit in a closet. Look at your return air grill. The max velocity you want is 500. 300 is better. The higher it is the noisier it is.
    That means for a standard grill for an 1200 cfm unit at the grill needs to be 30x36 at 300 and 20x24 at 600. The last will well be loud and restrictive.
    Now look at filters a filter should be sized at 300 fpm. Any more then that it will pull dirt through it. Most Pleated filter manufactures on 1 in only list what there good for at 300. They now there junk but they sell them anyway.
    It will take a 24x24 minimum 1 inch pleated filter to move 1200 cfm of air at 300 fpm. And that is at an average of .23 static. Oops back on static.
    So that means depending on the static of your coil let's say average of .3 a pleated filter at .23 your at .53. And max is .8. That's not good so now for that cheep guy that just through in your new unit, did not size your retirn grill correctly sold you on pleated filters. And we haven't even got into the supply side just screwd your eyeballs out. Yep. Cheep is always the way to go

    If your Ac guy cannot tell you about static and what it does to your system you are using the wrong guy. But knowledge is not cheep

    I saw this once. Static of an Ac system is like blood pressure. When the static is good all is good when static is to high. Well your system has an heart attic and dies
    Last edited by enewman; 01-15-2015, 12:27 PM.

    #2
    So are you saying the cheap priced guys arent sizing the return to the unit ( cfm ), not checking static pressure, not checking subcooling and superheat etc? Just throwing a similar sized unit in and calling it good?

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      #3
      yep.....

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        #4
        Cool.

        Who wants to do a bid one for me close to llano?

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          #5
          what are the best filters to run? I was using to cheaper filters and replaced every 3 weeks or so and was told the pleated filters are better and keep the unit cleaner.

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            #6
            I was one of those bragging about a cheap ac install. I paid 4300 out the door for a 4 ton american standard unit. $3800 for a 3 ton. Both installed this summer, both by a very reputable company that did all the testing you are talking about and came highly recommended from everyone i talked to who had dealings with them. They do 99% of the ac work in our neighborhood and installed ny original unit 11 years ago and it was almost flawless until a hole developed in the A coil. I decided it was time to replace the whole unit rather than patch it because it was R-22. The 3 ton I had replaced at my grandmas house was 17 years old had minimal work done and all by the same people. This was not a fly by night company selling junk!

            That puts his $12k estimate in the ball park of $8k for the duct work! As I stated in the other post, unless his is some crazy setup requiring a ton of labor, I just don't see it!

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              #7
              Originally posted by fishingsetx View Post
              I was one of those bragging about a cheap ac install. I paid 4300 out the door for a 4 ton american standard unit. $3800 for a 3 ton. Both installed this summer, both by a very reputable company that did all the testing you are talking about and came highly recommended from everyone i talked to who had dealings with them. They do 99% of the ac work in our neighborhood and installed ny original unit 11 years ago and it was almost flawless until a hole developed in the A coil. I decided it was time to replace the whole unit rather than patch it because it was R-22. The 3 ton I had replaced at my grandmas house was 17 years old had minimal work done and all by the same people. This was not a fly by night company selling junk!

              That puts his $12k estimate in the ball park of $8k for the duct work! As I stated in the other post, unless his is some crazy setup requiring a ton of labor, I just don't see it!
              Could be labor. Labor in our area is around 120 to 125 hour.

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                #8
                That's not true in every case. Prices vary on different things, time of year and location just to name a few. I cannot sale a system for the same price in Austin as in the valley. The market you are in will dictate your price. To say the "cheap" guys never install system correctly is not accurate. You're buying the company, if some shade tree guy comes and gives you a bottom line price then likely you are going to regret it on the other hand I've seen people taken to the wood shed and still have a third rate install. Like it says above, the information is there, just look it up. You can google about any company you want, the good, bad and ugly. 35 years in this business has taught me a few things. If I'm making a 400.00 dollar electrical repair on a 10yr old unit I have to be certain that I can walk away with no problems. That means if I see potential issues with an evaporator coil or blower motor in the near future due to corrosion or overall poor condition the customer will choose between replacement or repair. It's the crooks in my opinion that will make that repair KNOWING of another major breakdown in the near future. Do your homework. The most expensive is not always the best obviously neither is the cheapest. Buy the installer. Good ratings and longevity is a pretty safe bet

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                  #9
                  fyi its cheap

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                    #10
                    Interesting thread.

                    It's interesting in this industry how marketing has lead people to only care about the system, not the install.

                    "I got a __ seer system for only $___!"

                    Who cares? If the guy that put it in skipped vital install steps (either he doesn't know or doesn't care), then the system will never perform how it should.

                    I like bidding against the cut rate guys. Even if they get the job, they won't be around to compete very long if they aren't making any profit. Lots of guys can do residential hvac. Not many can do it AND run a successful business.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by enewman View Post
                      Could be labor. Labor in our area is around 120 to 125 hour.
                      Outrageous..

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bowhntrmatt View Post
                        Interesting thread.

                        It's interesting in this industry how marketing has lead people to only care about the system, not the install.

                        "I got a __ seer system for only $___!"

                        Who cares? If the guy that put it in skipped vital install steps (either he doesn't know or doesn't care), then the system will never perform how it should.

                        I like bidding against the cut rate guys. Even if they get the job, they won't be around to compete very long if they aren't making any profit. Lots of guys can do residential hvac. Not many can do it AND run a successful business.
                        I know from experience some A/C places cut corners. I (we) used to work for one

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by gingib View Post
                          Outrageous..
                          Is it. Plumers in this area are 145 average. Electricians average 130. Average pay to a tech is 24 to 28 hour. Some even at 30

                          So is it high. Maybe. but that's what it takes in this area

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