What is the fine for killing a Timber Rattler?

[JW]

I think I just nearly passed out from laughing .....bwaahhhaaaaahaa you aint even lying

Rooliinnn!!!!

[JSF]

Rooliinnn!!!!

You heard that song Miranda Lambert sings....something about all kinds of kinds?? Thats Vidor

[Cbb1722]

took my hunters safety course a while back and the guy told us that they are illegal to kill in texas. but that doesnt stop many from killing it. im one of them. luckily i havent had to kill one so hey

[Atfulldraw]

I'm gonna re-drag up this thread

I don't really care what you and your tree hugging buddies experience. Calling a grown man a liar when you have no first-hand knowledge of his experience is pretty lame.

this.

Isn't saying he's not a reputable source the same as calling him a liar?

yes.


I'll play the "who has handled more snakes" game with you.

I spent a bunch of years chasing them, and now it seems like they find me.
Drives Courtney crazy......

[careybirdwell]

I think TBH is going to ban all related Snake thread. LOL

[Bobcat]

Interesting thread pulled from the grave.
I think one of things that isn't being discussed, which colors perspective here is that Timber Rattlers while protected and threatened appear to be doing well WHERE they STILL exist.

So a guy that commonly encounters them, likely takes their existence for granted. These are also the same individuals that may not understand the habitat they are encountering them in is less and less intact within our state. A lack of awareness of just how important that place, area or region may be.

In fact, having timber rattlers on your place says something about the health of the habitat. You see, timber rattlesnake populations are robust in very local areas, because they are able to persist. On the other hand they do not recover without specific habitat requirements. So, once the habitat is manipulated past a certain point the species will not recover without management. Like many other species, timber rattlers are like the canary in the coal mine and help to establish just how healthy, complete and "wild" an ecosystem is.

In other words, they may scare the crap out of you, but they are a very real part of a functioning wild place.

[GarGuy]

I have a timber rattler on my place that looks like a dang python. One died of natural causes a few years ago that was 7ft4 and probably weighed 50 lbs. This one is much larger. He hangs around my ground blinds...

SnakeID, whats the best snake repellent to put in the blinds so my nephews don't encounter him in the dark?

[Peyton]

These two geniuses were so proud of their trophies, they posted their pic on Facebook.

[critter69]

I have a timber rattler on my place that looks like a dang python. One died of natural causes a few years ago that was 7ft4 and probably weighed 50 lbs. This one is much larger. He hangs around my ground blinds...

SnakeID, whats the best snake repellent to put in the blinds so my nephews don't encounter him in the dark?

Iam not snake ID, but the main thing is dont leave any food items in the blind. Not even wrapers, water bottles, any thing. Its the mice that are attracted to food and nest material that get the snakes intrested in your blind. Make sure to check with flash light before getting in the blind.

[Black Ice]

I have a timber rattler on my place that looks like a dang python. One died of natural causes a few years ago that was 7ft4 and probably weighed 50 lbs. This one is much larger. He hangs around my ground blinds...



SnakeID, whats the best snake repellent to put in the blinds so my nephews don't encounter him in the dark?

50lbs next thing you know you'll be trying to tell people you caught an 8 ft gar

[GarGuy]

50lbs next thing you know you'll be trying to tell people you caught an 8 ft gar

LOL who would believe that?

[GarGuy]

These two geniuses were so proud of their trophies, they posted their pic on Facebook.

All I can add to that is...Wheres that girls teeth?

[Crazy Horse]

Sure, I know it's rude to call someone a liar. But as a scientist, and researcher (chemist), it's my experience to doubt everything until I see proof or experience it myself, or have MULTIPLE independent verifications. I only have faith in one thing I don't have proof for, and it's certainly not other men.

Sir if you in fact are a chemist, then you and I both know your comments are incorrect/invalid simply because you "forgot" to factor in reproducibility and repeatability.

"...researcher (chemist), it's my experience to doubt everything until I see proof or experience it myself, or have MULTIPLE independent verifications."

And within those independent verifications are there not "outliers" that must be considered/accounted? Yes, there are & you know it.
The research/analysist of animal behaviour recently seen a renewal of internal concerns about reproducible results, correct? So based on this theory it is possible both gentleman's experiences CAN differ from yours. Correct?

Your comments CAN NOT be claimed as commensurate because they were NOT obtained in experimental trials according to the same reproducible experimental description and procedure; only yours/your friend's experiences are being factored under faulty/improper conditions, thus are no more conjecture than the gentleman whom have posted their's. Correct?

Repeatability conditions are when replicate measurements are made in one laboratory, by a single analyst, using the same equipment over a short time period.

Unless you and these gentleman interacted with the same snake in the same controlled environment, then you CAN NOT claim your analysis of said specimen correct/superior; your conditions differ, thus so do your individual results. Correct?

If you are going to apply a scientific method to the conversation, as a researcher/chemist, shame on you for not including EVERYTHING, not just that which supports your claims.

How's this:

"Your experience is suspect and non-congruent with data collected from several thousand reputable sources. While it's possible, the validity cannot be confirmed without multiple independent verifications. The interpretation of the event may not be an accurate depiction of what transpired."

How's that? I didn't call you a liar that time!

And this statement proves my point. This statement may be applied to you as well, in that YOUR experiences were not conducted under proper protocol and/or testing procedures? Correct?

I appears to me, that as a researcher, it is best you consider these gentleman's statements in your research rather than attempting to discredit them with out any methods precision. Correct? Because otherwise you hold no creditability in your statements/comments/analysis more than they themselves do....