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Originally posted by bphillips View PostHope it picks up for you also. I'm having to travel to different places and longer distances from the house but I'm still busy so far. Being literally on a rig I know that can change overnight though
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Originally posted by denowt View Post365/2=182.5 days
182.5*12=2190 hours/year
40 hours/week * 52 weeks = 2080 hours/year
110 hours per year difference, about 2 hours per week, isn't that much.
Then you move up to driller... You still have all of those meetings, but I always went in about 15min earlier to get paper work lined out for the guys and catch up on what happened on my 12hrs off. Every 2 years you get to go to a 4 day well control class. When you make relief you'll do hand overs with your relief for anywhere from 15min to an hour depending on the situation.
Then one day you move up to Toolpusher. Your day starts at 4am. You prepare the meetings that will take place at 5:30. Go over e mails that came through while you were napping. Review reports and have the driller fix this or that. About the time that gets fixed the CoMan calls and wants it changed back. Reports sent off at 5:30, lead the safety meeting and if you're really lucky you'll have about an hour to take a shower and eat breakfast. Your day is going to end around 11pm. IF operations are going smooth. I've been on the rig floor for as much as 3 consecutive days without sleep. At the end of day 2, you're 8hrs into a "normal" job's overtime.
When I went directional drilling, it was still pretty similar. There's always new operations and things to be learned. I probably averaged 14-16hrs a day, and worked around 25 days a month.
All that is to show that your math isn't really spot on.
There's guys that say things like, "I only do about 2hrs of work a day." What they're saying is, they've busted their nuts for a lifetime to get where they are and only do about 2hrs of physical labor a day. I've done both. I worked my way from the wormiest Floorhand you ever saw to a good tool pusher and a pretty fair directional driller. I've seen both sides of the quarter and I'll take the physical labor over the mental labor EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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Originally posted by jooger17 View PostI worked the 7/7 or 14/14 route for 12 years. To someone who is ignorant of the reality of the job, your numbers would look correct, but they aren't. Every company I worked for had a 30min pre tour meeting. Nabors and H&P have a 30min post your meeting. At least once a week you have a RSMT Meetinf, that one is an hour. You also have quarterly compliance training and there's so much of that it's crazy. If you work 14/14 it works out to 2-5 days of meetings on your days off that are anywhere from 8-12hrs a day, every 2nd or 3rd days off.
Then you move up to driller... You still have all of those meetings, but I always went in about 15min earlier to get paper work lined out for the guys and catch up on what happened on my 12hrs off. Every 2 years you get to go to a 4 day well control class. When you make relief you'll do hand overs with your relief for anywhere from 15min to an hour depending on the situation.
Then one day you move up to Toolpusher. Your day starts at 4am. You prepare the meetings that will take place at 5:30. Go over e mails that came through while you were napping. Review reports and have the driller fix this or that. About the time that gets fixed the CoMan calls and wants it changed back. Reports sent off at 5:30, lead the safety meeting and if you're really lucky you'll have about an hour to take a shower and eat breakfast. Your day is going to end around 11pm. IF operations are going smooth. I've been on the rig floor for as much as 3 consecutive days without sleep. At the end of day 2, you're 8hrs into a "normal" job's overtime.
When I went directional drilling, it was still pretty similar. There's always new operations and things to be learned. I probably averaged 14-16hrs a day, and worked around 25 days a month.
All that is to show that your math isn't really spot on.
There's guys that say things like, "I only do about 2hrs of work a day." What they're saying is, they've busted their nuts for a lifetime to get where they are and only do about 2hrs of physical labor a day. I've done both. I worked my way from the wormiest Floorhand you ever saw to a good tool pusher and a pretty fair directional driller. I've seen both sides of the quarter and I'll take the physical labor over the mental labor EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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Originally posted by denowt View Post365/2=182.5 days
182.5*12=2190 hours/year
40 hours/week * 52 weeks = 2080 hours/year
110 hours per year difference, about 2 hours per week, isn't that much.
Sounds like a little more that way don't it?
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Originally posted by jooger17 View PostI worked the 7/7 or 14/14 route for 12 years. To someone who is ignorant of the reality of the job, your numbers would look correct, but they aren't. Every company I worked for had a 30min pre tour meeting. Nabors and H&P have a 30min post your meeting. At least once a week you have a RSMT Meetinf, that one is an hour. You also have quarterly compliance training and there's so much of that it's crazy. If you work 14/14 it works out to 2-5 days of meetings on your days off that are anywhere from 8-12hrs a day, every 2nd or 3rd days off.
Then you move up to driller... You still have all of those meetings, but I always went in about 15min earlier to get paper work lined out for the guys and catch up on what happened on my 12hrs off. Every 2 years you get to go to a 4 day well control class. When you make relief you'll do hand overs with your relief for anywhere from 15min to an hour depending on the situation.
Then one day you move up to Toolpusher. Your day starts at 4am. You prepare the meetings that will take place at 5:30. Go over e mails that came through while you were napping. Review reports and have the driller fix this or that. About the time that gets fixed the CoMan calls and wants it changed back. Reports sent off at 5:30, lead the safety meeting and if you're really lucky you'll have about an hour to take a shower and eat breakfast. Your day is going to end around 11pm. IF operations are going smooth. I've been on the rig floor for as much as 3 consecutive days without sleep. At the end of day 2, you're 8hrs into a "normal" job's overtime.
When I went directional drilling, it was still pretty similar. There's always new operations and things to be learned. I probably averaged 14-16hrs a day, and worked around 25 days a month.
All that is to show that your math isn't really spot on.
There's guys that say things like, "I only do about 2hrs of work a day." What they're saying is, they've busted their nuts for a lifetime to get where they are and only do about 2hrs of physical labor a day. I've done both. I worked my way from the wormiest Floorhand you ever saw to a good tool pusher and a pretty fair directional driller. I've seen both sides of the quarter and I'll take the physical labor over the mental labor EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Originally posted by steven View PostThat 110hrs equals almost 14 8 hour days, so a regular 8 hour employee working a normal Mon-Fri schedule would have to work 7 days a week from January 1st to the end of February to make up the difference.
Sounds like a little more that way don't it?
Both would be a irrelevant comparison.
Plus, you're getting paid for those extra 110 hours. It's not like you're working then for free.
Originally posted by BowOnly81 View PostRight on jooger! And not to mention, you can't count them as 12 hr days, you have to count them as 24 hr days because you're AT WORK! And away from your family then entire 7-14 days....or in my case right now, 4-5 weeks (till the well is done).
And you CHOSE to do it.
I'm not trying to knock the oilfield.
Just quit trying to illicit sympathy for a time consuming job that you chose to do and are paid well to do it.
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Originally posted by denowt View PostSo are you saying all of those meetings, etc are unpaid time?
Or you could also say that working half the year would be the same as working from 7 days/week from January 1 to June 30.
Both would be a irrelevant comparison.
Plus, you're getting paid for those extra 110 hours. It's not like you're working then for free.
Firefighters, military, and plenty of other jobs do the same.
And you CHOSE to do it.
I'm not trying to knock the oilfield.
Just quit trying to illicit sympathy for a time consuming job that you chose to do and are paid well to do it.
Yea some of those meeting and things are not paid but some are. They were simply pointing out the hours actually put in from experience. Also nobody here wanted sympathy for being gone. Believe it or not we realize we chose this and are ok with it.
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Originally posted by denowt View PostSo are you saying all of those meetings, etc are unpaid time?
Or you could also say that working half the year would be the same as working from 7 days/week from January 1 to June 30.
Both would be a irrelevant comparison.
Plus, you're getting paid for those extra 110 hours. It's not like you're working then for free.
Firefighters, military, and plenty of other jobs do the same.
And you CHOSE to do it.
I'm not trying to knock the oilfield.
Just quit trying to illicit sympathy for a time consuming job that you chose to do and are paid well to do it.
I hope you industry stays strong and you continue to be successful brother! In the mean time all of us that chose to be in the oil and gas industry will continue to pray that this thing turns around and we can find common ground where everyone wins and everyone can make a living!Last edited by KR-oldmexico; 08-19-2015, 06:57 AM.
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