Coaches...Question...Tony Franklin coaching system...blocking

[westexasagent]

I was watching a HS team and they have their linemen back pedaling 5 yards to set up a new LOS. Literally running backwards. I heard one kid ask and they said it is the Tony Franklin system? That it tires the DL out by having to run farther? It confused me and maybe I am old school but I played OL in college and professionally in Canada...but....1) doesnt the OL have to back pedal as far as the DL runs forward therefore getting just as tired? 2) Doesnt this create momentum in favor of the DL firing out into an OL back pedaling? Any thoughts or experience with this out there?

[huntingfanatic]

I was a run oriented coach my whole career. I even hated a drop or bucket step from a lineman so I'm gonna bow out on this one. I will watch this thread for an explanation on the advantages......

[oktx]

The O line gives ground so the D line doesn't run by them. They can also get the D line running and wash them by the QB.

[westexasagent]

I played back in the caveman days so doesn't make sense to me but that is why I am not a coach! I did look up Tony Franklin and not impressed. 1-11 with Cal Bears (offense didnt produce) and fired from his two previous coaching positions for his offense not producing. Coaching is a rough gig!

[oktx]

I have seen some HS teams run it and it was a flop. Things I forgot to mention was that they also think they can see a blitzer better and that the D lineman doesn't have as much leverage since is standing up and running.

[TMC50]

We love when teams run it because my lbs are normally better than the line and run by them. Set them up one way and gone the other. Our line doesnt do it so I cant speak for that side of the ball

[Shane]

That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

[Abcdj]

I coached the o-line for 24 years in college.. never heard of it . But i've been out of it 10 years now... you never know!! New things come along. Texas Tech tried this a few years back with wide splits. They only did it for a year as I recall.
Offensive Tackles give ground every pass play, its called kick and slide keeping shoulders square till the defender gets even with them and ride him around the qb. Tackles are your more talented quick footed guys with long wing spans. Usually taller 6-4 and up. Guards and centers should give ground inch by inch. They are your bigger maulers that wrestle every play.
Pass blocking creates a cup for qb. centers and guards holding their ground and Tackles running DE's around. The KEY to all pass blocking is never get beat inside!! Always take away the shortest path to the qb.
When the zone blocking concept came along and that is still the concept for most today it was designed to get the defense running sideways and get 2 defenders in one gap for a cut back. This was developed because of the size of players and the ability to just move them straight back 3 yards and a cloud of dust are over. We called it push and pester !!

[Abcdj]

Hey.. this is the first Thread on TBH that I ever was actually helpful on!!!!

[LiftAndShoot]

The idea of a tactic used to 'tire out' the opposing line is...questionable at best. That's almost 100% strength and conditioning.

[hully1029]

When i was in hs, our offense ran a 4 wide shotgun offense. Very west coast. We were a running district, so we scored ALOT of points. Our defense was a 3-3 stack with 2 "dogs" who were way outside lb's almost in the slot position. There wasn't an offensive line that could figure our defense out. Was the best run stopping defense i ever seen. You gave up the long balls cause of single man coverage and only 1 safety.

That was no help, but it got me reminiscent of old times..

[Abcdj]

I was a run oriented coach my whole career. I even hated a drop or bucket step from a lineman so I'm gonna bow out on this one. I will watch this thread for an explanation on the advantages......

Coach... This is no time to bucket step out of the conversation. jump in man

[Abcdj]

When i was in hs, our offense ran a 4 wide shotgun offense. Very west coast. We were a running district, so we scored ALOT of points. Our defense was a 3-3 stack with 2 "dogs" who were way outside lb's almost in the slot position. There wasn't an offensive line that could figure our defense out. Was the best run stopping defense i ever seen. You gave up the long balls cause of single man coverage and only 1 safety.

That was no help, but it got me reminiscent of old times..

Hully. Those were good times! I am old and old school. The west coast offense is a true TE, FB formation. Look back at Bill Walsh and the 49ers, Montana, Clark, Rathman, Rice and Craig. That is the west coast offense. Spread offense or basketball on grass was started by John Jenkins at U of Houston, Hal Mumme at Valdosta, June Jones at Hawaii guys like that. The Pistol is the (new) old single wing offense. I got out before it started up, same concepts thou.

[westexasagent]

Sounds like a flop huh? Yeah sounds like why we were 2-8 last year!

[Abcdj]

Agent, I am a way better coach from my La-Z-Boy than I was out there and things were going 100mph. You never know. I hope they do better and stay healthy this year.