Border agent held Boy Scout at gunpoint

[Killer]

You should have posted this on it own

[killerbee]

Probably not a good idea to go digging around in the roof carrier during such a time, dumb ***.

I'm not sayin they should have gone to such great lengths in this case, but do you guys think the bad guys wear signs when they cross the border that say "I'm a terrorist"??

Agreed

[SwampRabbit]

Not enough information to make an informed decision. Nobody owns the market in the stupid category.

[Artos]

the part that gets me besides the gun, is the abuse of power from the customs agent thinking he had justified cause becuase one of the boys took a picture and the lying and intimidation that followed as a result.

Our POE's down here clearly post to not use your phone or cameras period...I find it interesting they do not mention the boys ages as well.

I also would wait for the vid to pass judgment with so much disinformation...Dale is correct about the boy goofing up and going for his luggage. He was obviously ignorant but a HUGE error as far as BP & Customs are concerned!!

They are trained to think of issues like the Boston marathon bombing, not a person reaching for a backpack full of scout gear.


It's a sad time for us these days...the terrorists have made what used to be seamless & an adventure crossing borders into aggravation & wasted time.

[tvc184]

This is obviously a one sided story and it looks like an author with an agenda. That doesn't make it untrue but it should give a moment of pause without accepting everything stated.

For an example of something blown out of proportion, they have a US senator saying that a BS had a gun pointed at him for taking a picture and that is outrageous. Well, it would be outrageous if that is what happened. The article itself does not even make that accusation yet we have a US senator flaming the issue with that statement. From the article, the detention might have started because of the photo, not the drawing of any guns. The officer did not draw his weapon until one of the BS's being detained reached into a bag. That is entirely a different scenario. Pointing a weapon may have been excessive (we don't know if it actually happened or if maybe the officer gave a warning the BS continued reaching) but the supposed quote from the senator is completely wrong as the officer did not draw down on the BS for taking a photo and nothing in the article makes such a statement. That is just an example of how this stuff is slanted or blown out of proportion.

If they were at the border, they can be detained and searched without a warrant. A border search does not require even reasonable suspicion. The author makes sure to put the statement from the scout leader that calls it an illegal search but if they were crossing the border, it was not an illegal search. Again, to slant the situation?

Was this just a case of a routine stop and the scout leader not knowing the law, thought that he was the victim of an illegal search and detention? Even if the officer did draw his weapon at a BS, was it after warnings being given and the kid kept digging for something? If the officer did draw his weapon, did he actually point it at the BS or did he only unholster to produce a bit of fear it after issuing warnings? Remember that Chapter 9 of our own TX Penal Code gives any person the right to display a weapon, as it says,....... (TX PC 9.04) "a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary".

Who can tell from the one sided article? I am sure that I have drawn my weapon and pointed at people that disagreed with it but they weren't in my shoes as they were reaching someone that I told them not to.

I am not taking up for the officers and have said nothing in their support except that we have heard one side of an accusation. If it was as bad as the article reads, I hope that it is eventually discovered and the officers held accountable. Looking at this article as all "facts" leaves a bit to be desired however I am sure that many will be convinced that the officers are completely wrong and facts are not needed.

[BowSlayer]

If you have the time, start a thread and tell the whole story. I read your story twice...dang good story sir.

Here you go.

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8849681#post8849681

[Coup de Grace]

tvc I understand what your saying but let me tell you, these Border Patrol we have working in Del Rio where I hunt are all very young and act like idiots, as a police officer also I usually try to defend most officers weather its local,state or federal these guys are not above the law and most that I have had contact with need to go back to school to learn it.

[Boomerang]

They treat an American that way but let illegal aliens walk across and handed benefits. I've lost faith in America.

[GatorBait]

This is obviously a one sided story and it looks like an author with an agenda. That doesn't make it untrue but it should give a moment of pause without accepting everything stated.

For an example of something blown out of proportion, they have a US senator saying that a BS had a gun pointed at him for taking a picture and that is outrageous. Well, it would be outrageous if that is what happened. The article itself does not even make that accusation yet we have a US senator flaming the issue with that statement. From the article, the detention might have started because of the photo, not the drawing of any guns. The officer did not draw his weapon until one of the BS's being detained reached into a bag. That is entirely a different scenario. Pointing a weapon may have been excessive (we don't know if it actually happened or if maybe the officer gave a warning the BS continued reaching) but the supposed quote from the senator is completely wrong as the officer did not draw down on the BS for taking a photo and nothing in the article makes such a statement. That is just an example of how this stuff is slanted or blown out of proportion.

If they were at the border, they can be detained and searched without a warrant. A border search does not require even reasonable suspicion. The author makes sure to put the statement from the scout leader that calls it an illegal search but if they were crossing the border, it was not an illegal search. Again, to slant the situation?

Was this just a case of a routine stop and the scout leader not knowing the law, thought that he was the victim of an illegal search and detention? Even if the officer did draw his weapon at a BS, was it after warnings being given and the kid kept digging for something? If the officer did draw his weapon, did he actually point it at the BS or did he only unholster to produce a bit of fear it after issuing warnings? Remember that Chapter 9 of our own TX Penal Code gives any person the right to display a weapon, as it says,....... (TX PC 9.04) "a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary".

Who can tell from the one sided article? I am sure that I have drawn my weapon and pointed at people that disagreed with it but they weren't in my shoes as they were reaching someone that I told them not to.

I am not taking up for the officers and have said nothing in their support except that we have heard one side of an accusation. If it was as bad as the article reads, I hope that it is eventually discovered and the officers held accountable. Looking at this article as all "facts" leaves a bit to be desired however I am sure that many will be convinced that the officers are completely wrong and facts are not needed.

I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. With that being said we have seen entirely too much of this happening. This is an upward trend of officers taking their "authority" to their head. I blame it on our society, not just the officers themselves. But every time there is something about an officer being in the wrong, lots of LEO come out of the woodwork saying the same thing "We only know one side". But lots of times we only know one side, the officer's, and we are supposed to take that at face value? Not knocking law enforcement, but a truck full of boy scouts on the Canadian border seems like the last thing I would be worried about. They need to get their priorities straight, I don't need them to protect me from Canadians.

[Bonesplitter]

He didnt draw his weapon on a kid taking a pic. He drew down on one trying to access avbag On TOP of the van, this isnt a 6 year old kid if thats the case. Do you want the borders secured or not? If so, expect them to do the job and do so without predjudice.

[hoythunter02]

He didnt draw his weapon on a kid taking a pic. He drew down on one trying to access avbag On TOP of the van, this isnt a 6 year old kid if thats the case. Do you want the borders secured or not? If so, expect them to do the job and do so without predjudice.

Good post man.

[10-96inTexas]

me too...

**** jack booted thugs

x2

[twobanger]

He didnt draw his weapon on a kid taking a pic. He drew down on one trying to access avbag On TOP of the van, this isnt a 6 year old kid if thats the case. Do you want the borders secured or not? If so, expect them to do the job and do so without predjudice.

Benjamin Franklin made the response to this post over 200 years ago:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

The founders are crying in heaven over what we've let this country become.

[Dale Moser]

If Ol Ben had pushed more strict immigration policies, we may not be in this shape now. Then again, you and I may not have been here at all!

It's the proverbial catch 22 y'all. And a thing or two has changed in 200 years. Would you rather a dumb Boy Scout get a dose of reality for a little bit, or some coward towel head in a Boy Scout outfit blow a bunch of folks up?

You'd all be ****** as hell if you found out someone posing as a troop leader blew up a Boy Scout camp.


DRY UP!