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    #16
    Originally posted by bone View Post
    Ok so what y'all are saying is as long as in the last minutes of your life you repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness nothing else you did in the rest of your life matters?
    Jesus accepted the thief on the cross and took him with him,,, unlike man God and Jesus can correctly judge the condition of the heart,,,, at any point in time,,,,,

    lets reverse the question,,, if you were the sinner and had done wrong your whole life, and at the end actually only then realized God is real, and you were truly sorry,,, would you think you should be kept out? or repent with your last breath and desire to enter Heaven?

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      #17
      Originally posted by bone View Post
      Ok so what y'all are saying is as long as in the last minutes of your life you repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness nothing else you did in the rest of your life matters?
      sometimes....it worked for the thief on the cross next to Jesus.

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        #18
        I know what it says in the bible.

        I'm not talking about stealing a piece of candy at the store when you were a kid. I'm talking about destroying peoples lives. I know first hand the effect this has on a family. This is not something you can just forgive or forget! This is something you live with daily!

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          #19
          Jesus paid for all sins. Every person that has breath was created in the image of God. When you read Micah 6:8 its pretty clear what the Lord requires. Just do that. Justice is in there. Pretty clear there will be consequences for our actions.

          [8] He has shown you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God?

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            #20
            very thought provoking questions amigo...I too have plenty of questions I don't understand that I am looking forward to getting the answers some day.

            I think the Bible is pretty clear that if you are truly born again & faith is in your heart, then yes all sins are washed away & you get the kitchen pass...as far as meeting up in Heaven?? The word says there is not hate or sorrow or pain & suffering. Both believers be it victim & criminal will love one another as I think we either have to trust the entire Bible or not.

            Kinda hard to wrap my head around a lot of things...try to think of it this way; I personally do not feel God rates or grades sin like we do where Murder would be 1st place, rape 2nd, stealing 3rd, etc, etc.

            Heaven is filled with sinners who believe, not murderers, rapists, etc...just like hell is filled with non believing sinners, not murderers, rapists, etc, etc.

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              #21
              Originally posted by xman59 View Post
              Jesus accepted the thief on the cross and took him with him,,, unlike man God and Jesus can correctly judge the condition of the heart,,,, at any point in time,,,,,

              lets reverse the question,,, if you were the sinner and had done wrong your whole life, and at the end actually only then realized God is real, and you were truly sorry,,, would you think you should be kept out? or repent with your last breath and desire to enter Heaven?
              I'll tell you right now without a shadow of a doubt! If I ever chose to do something like this then yes I believe I should burn in hell! I'm not talking about just sining here people, this is a totally different level!

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                #22
                Originally posted by elkbowhunter View Post
                You can be forgiven, but still be shot in the head...."JUSTICE" can sting a bit.
                I can relate on multiple levels!!! LOL!

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by bone View Post
                  I'll tell you right now without a shadow of a doubt! If I ever chose to do something like this then yes I believe I should burn in hell! I'm not talking about just sining here people, this is a totally different level!
                  just know that everyone deserves Hell. We all have fallen short. Not sure I follow the levels of sin theology. Sin is Sin. Its kinda like being pregnant. You are either pregnant or not. When someone commits a horrible sin like what was done...Justice will come. When you place something else in your life above GOD....Justice will come. Its really not that complicated.
                  1) Love God
                  2) Love People

                  God will handle Justice and sometimes it involves a firing squad.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by elkbowhunter View Post
                    Answer:
                    We are all POS. Gods great grace and mercy takes away the sins of the world.
                    Originally posted by elkbowhunter View Post
                    You can be forgiven, but still be shot in the head...."JUSTICE" can sting a bit.
                    Can't believe I agree with EBH...
                    Originally posted by bone View Post
                    Ok so what y'all are saying is as long as in the last minutes of your life you repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness nothing else you did in the rest of your life matters?
                    If it is a sincere repentance (and I'm pretty sure God would know). Then yes, he/she will be forgiven by God. Now, there still may be some punishment for these acts, but you'll be forgiven.

                    And I hope I'm never in the position this father was to see what I would do to a child molester...

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by elkbowhunter View Post
                      just know that everyone deserves Hell. We all have fallen short. Not sure I follow the levels of sin theology. Sin is Sin. Its kinda like being pregnant. You are either pregnant or not. When someone commits a horrible sin like what was done...Justice will come. When you place something else in your life above GOD....Justice will come. Its really not that complicated.
                      1) Love God
                      2) Love People

                      God will handle Justice and sometimes it involves a firing squad.
                      Are you a sinner? Would you place yourself on the same level as a child molester?

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                        #26
                        Ok my spelling and grammar is awful. But I will try. What is the one sin that will not be forgiven? When you understand that answer. You can somewhat come to grips with what the world is doing. They have no true law to fallow so you can't judge the nonbeliever. Becouse they are ignorent. In the eyes of The Lord a sin is a sin. Can a melester be forgiven? Can a hippacret? Can a womanizer? I am glad to say they can be. Does this mean there will not be consacuinses for our sin? Yes there will be. The wages of sin is death. Do I hold some sin more awful then others? Yes I do but I am sure glad my father does not. Should a killer or a melester need to be put to death? I think so but he should have a chance to repent and except. Will I be upset standing next to a melester in heaven? Nope the glory and grace of Jesus Christ will be the main focus. The question that is asked in these awful situations is often whare was God when this or that happend and the answer is? The same place he was when his son hung on the cross.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by bone View Post
                          Are you a sinner? Would you place yourself on the same level as a child molester?
                          The question should be, "would God"??

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                            #28
                            I would ask for Gods grace and forgiveness after I stuck a claw hammer through their skull if they molested my kids. Some folks just gotta go and the list grows longer every day.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by elkbowhunter View Post
                              just know that everyone deserves Hell. We all have fallen short. Not sure I follow the levels of sin theology. Sin is Sin. Its kinda like being pregnant. You are either pregnant or not. When someone commits a horrible sin like what was done...Justice will come. When you place something else in your life above GOD....Justice will come. Its really not that complicated.
                              1) Love God
                              2) Love People

                              God will handle Justice and sometimes it involves a firing squad.
                              Right or wrong I believe the way you do. I don't believe there are levels of sin. I believe God hates ALL sin equally. I also believe God had no memory of our sins from the nanosecond when we truly repent. Like when we get to heaven I believe if you were to tell God "I'm sorry I did (insert sin of choice here)" God would reply " What are you talking about my Child? ".

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by WCI View Post
                                Might want to check that ...... Judge not least you be judged Mat 7:1


                                Wilk
                                I always saw it as if you judge someone, then God judges you as well. But I will look right now

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