Rompun, BAM, Tranquilizers

[blhaley91]

I posted this in another section but did not get a response...thought I would try here;

Just got my dart gun and need to get a prescription of knock out juice. Called my local vet and he said we have to meet and go over the management and he has to be a part of the management plan.

For those of you that use this stuff regularly or occasionally what hoops do you have to jump through to get the stuff?

[Leo]

If you've got deer he has to see pens to confirm what it'll be used for and if you use it keep a log of how many darts you've used and what you've tranquillized. Usually no problems after he checks but if you ever do get audited you need to account for pretty much every drop.

[blhaley91]

No deer, just for my blackbuck and Mouflon.

[ar3731guy]

My suggestion is to take a safe capture course. Them drugs are meant to learn on the fly. During the course they wi teach you safe handling procedures and dosages etc. For starters each dart can be $60 or more everytime you shoot hit or miss the animal. Second if you don't know the dosage or how to adjust or "bump" an animal that is not "out" you risk killing the animal. Again money. I've flung more darts than most people have killed deer in their lives.

[blhaley91]

Good advice. I have a "mentor" going to show me the ropes. He is a deer breeder and darts all the time.

BH

[bloodtrailer28]

bump...got my dart gun in and wanting to dart some axis off a buddys place. How hard is it to get the tranquilizer?

[Tony Pic]

These are the darts my cousin uses to dart Sika ,Axis and BlackBuck on his high fence. He gets them from the EWA in Ingram.

[cantexduck]

Easy to get just ask the right vet. Before you start get someone experienced to help you do it a few times.

[spikebuck]

Be sure you don't give yourself any of that xylazine on accident.

[DTala]

first of all do not use Rompum/Xylazine. Call Zoopharm in Co and get their input on procedures to buy BAM. BAM is 100X safer than Rompum to use on deer, same family of drugs but much, much cleaner. Rompum can cause heart problems in darted deer and kill them now, or months later. I have killed deer with Rompum, couldn't pay me to use it again.

I've been using BAM or its ingredients for 12+ years, NEVER had a problem with it. Just got another kit from Zoopharm last month. Generally you will not need as much BAM as Zoopharm recommends per animal.

My procedure is to have your vet call/fax a prescription to Zoopharm. You call and pay for the kit ($275 er so) and Zoopharm will ship to your home address. Keep records of your use. To be used under the direction of a local vet.

[Hawkpuppy 1]

My wife is a Vet here in Kerrville and over the years gets this question and demand a lot. All of the drugs used for darting from Telazol, Xylazine, BAM, MK, Cycostrum... are all controlled substances and regulated by the DEA. Vets HAVE to have a working relationship with you and know what you are doing with the drugs because it's their name and license on the line. It's getting harder to get all the drugs they use to because people have taken advantage of the system for so long now. It's not a big deal to work with your vet on doing it and can be done in an afternoon very easily.

[bloodtrailer28]

Thanks for all the info guys! Will be making a stop by our vets office tomorrow.

[Hawkpuppy 1]

BAM is 100X safer than Rompum to use on deer, same family of drugs but much, much cleaner. Rompum can cause heart problems in darted deer and kill them now, or months later. I have killed deer with Rompum, couldn't pay me to use it again.

Not necessarily true. Xylazine(rompum) is reverseable, but the Telazol is not. That drug combo used correctly is perfectly fine in and of itself. It does require more drug than you would need to use if you had BAM. The main problems are if you have high temps and stressed deer. T/X causes a rise in body temp and during the summer months can cause deer to heat stress out and die. If deer are worked up pretty good, don't dart them. High levels of adrenaline will counter the effect of the drugs and you will tend to over dose them and kill them. The other great thing about BAM is that the deer go down quicker and can be immediately reversed when done handling them. T/X is a longer go-down time and at least an hour to reverse.

[DTala]

never, ever stress deer, esp in hot weather and dart them with anything. Dead deer walking.

my usual time with BAM is 10 min down and five minutes to get up after reversal. We had one wild deer down for 6 hours and stood up in four minutes after reversal with BAM reversal. Also with BAM you can dart the same deer several days in a row without any problems. I had to dart one buck we were treating three times in four days. I have darted that deer over 40 times in the last 12 years without incident. Rompum would of killed him on the 3in4 darting.

[I40880]

I have a question. Recently I had a steer get off of a trailer in a small town. They sent for a tranquilizer gun and had to shoot him four times before he could be handled and even then he did not go down. I checked on what they were using to see what withdrawal times would be. They put a combination of Yohimbine and Xylazine, 2cc of one and 1 cc of the other. In my research it appears to me that these should not be given simultaneously but that the Yohimbine should be given to bring the animal out of the Xylazine. What is the correct usage of these two medications?