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    #61
    Originally posted by Bill in San Jose View Post
    Rob,

    It's great you're tracing your family roots, I've gotten into it myself. Genealogy.com has an amazing amount of information, and old census ledgers included employers and addresses.

    I don't agree with your theories, however. I had 3 grandparents enter the US from Eastern Europe in the early 1920s. Every documentary I've seen shows the mass flow of poor immigrants from Eastern Europe during that period. It could not have been a Nazi party issue- the National Socialist party rose to power in Germany in the 1930s and it wasn't until the 1939 invasion of Poland did anybody realize what they were doing.

    You're right the KKK was tied in with the Democratic Party, buy it was the southern Democrats where there was political strength. In the northern cities the KKK did not have the political power. With the anti Catholic and Jew position, that was at odds with the Democratic political leadership themselves. I grew up near NYC and never read about any KKK involvement in politics or immigration. There was however a significant KKK presence in rural NJ and pictures of large KKK rallies with cross burnings in the 1930s. True much of it was anti immigrant, anti Catholic and foreigner sentiment but these were local people mad because immigrants would offer to do the job the did for 10 cents per hour for 5 cents.

    Maybe I'm wrong, too.

    Check out genealogy.com. The public libraries in my area have a subscription so I can access it and download great information for free.
    That's what I'm trying to understand, why they both were selectively turned away? The KKK held immense immigration power from the 20s thru roughly 40 years of time before their grasp on America was finally broken. One thought is, Grandpa's hometown bordered the German\Polish border...literally a bordertown to Germany. My thought is, when they landed in NYC, a map of the region was part of the sorting criteria and seeing that Grandpa and his Brother bordered the German border, they were assumed to be affiliated and or tied to Germany. There was a considerable amount of anger, post WWI to Germany, for good reason.

    Here's a bit of info, starting in 1919, the German Workers' Party, joined by Adolph Hitler in 1919 - the precursor group to the Nazis party - rose to power. Throughout the 1920s, Hitler and the GERMAN WORKER'S PARTY involved themselves with rsing into power, with Hitler becoming the Fuherer in 1931. So it was during the period of 1919 - 1931, and Hitler's direct involvement with the GERMAN WORKERS PARTY, the wheels of Nazism motion came into play. Those in Poland, who had to survive through WWI and the Eastern front (some of the harshest fighting in the world up to this period), simply knew things were not going well and the wheels of war where secretly building within Germany.

    I also don't know why these two brothers split, after landing in America? My thought is, both realized their primary goal of becoming Americans was dashed and the thought of Mexico and or Rio De Janeiro, both new territories for many Eastern European groups, were unknown options? Both Countries were strife with Government rebellions, much like the scene in post WWI Europe and the lands they just left. My thought is, they figured if one found something better, the other one would join him to continue? Playing the odds I suppose? Both hit the ground running and I'm sure once they crossed into these 3rd world countries, reliable communications to stay in contact became a delayed process? Writing a letter and sending that in the mail from Mexico to South America......my thought is......you might as well toss a bottle in the sea and hope it lands somewhere to be carried onward?

    Since my family history is so new to America, many of the things that transpired during Grandpa's exodus out of Poland was discussed, hence the reasoning some of this is available. But Grandpa held one thing back....the true spelling of my families name. My Dad and Uncle, both were born under the name Zabroski in Mexico but, this name spelling was changed when Grandpa left Poland. The real Polish spelling is Zabrocki. Dad and Uncle changed their last names from Zabroski to Zabroky during their years in college. Our real family name is Zabrocki. My Grandpa and Grandma are buried in Fredericksburg Texas under their names Zabroski. Grandpa held the true spelling of our last name from everyone, the real spelling was found after he died in Fredericksburg in 1967 - his birth records stored in a lock box.

    I believe the true last name of my family was changed and buried due to the ties to Germany and the throes of WWI? I know the Nazis and Soviets both hunted down Poles with specific family names, to cleanse the countryside of names associated with Polish pride and strength. According to a man my father met, who was educated in Warsaw Poland during the Communist controlled era (a Western businessman now), he passed to Dad our original family name goes back hundreds of years in rich Polish history into the Polish - Teutonic War period of the 1400 - 1500s. Apparently my Polish family, living on the border of Germany - has been at war with Germans for many years?

    One thing many don't realize is, when the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe, the Jews were targeted, which is a part of history we all know but, they also targeted indigenous families with names and lineage that defied Germany. The Soviets then finished up with their own style of ethnic family cleansing during their period of Soviet control.

    Thanks guys - I guess I needed to unload some of this here?
    Last edited by AtTheWall; 02-05-2014, 10:02 AM.

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      #62
      Originally posted by El Viejo View Post
      My dad taught Ag in Mission when Max Diaz was teaching in La Joya. They were good friends. I remember him well. I taught in a Mission elementary school with Max's wife, Estella. Good family.
      This is AWESOME! I had a feeling some of us here would know Max and Estella. He was an inspiration to my Dad and to this day, Dad and I still talk about Max and our fond memories of spending time with him in the brush & AG lands of South Texas. I know his sons but it's been way too many years since I've seen them. We were very young men, literally teenagers, when we last met. Through Max, I met local Judges, business owners and reputable ranchers and farmers who lived life, rich with their own South Texas family histories. There are times I wished I had a voice recorder so that I can remember many of the old stories spoken around campfires, cups of coffee, cans of cerveza and wonderful dinners there.

      It truly is a small world!

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        #63
        Originally posted by Dale Moser View Post
        That's a good read, Roberto...however sad. I don't understand why parts of history are left out, ugly or not. It seems like something we should pay more attention to. What is it they say "history ignored, is bound to repeat itself".
        ...
        Totally and absolutely agree!!!
        Originally posted by 10-96inTexas View Post
        Up to you to decide. Who do you believe?
        I am definitely open to a differing opinion on that subject!
        Originally posted by Palmetto View Post
        Great read. One thing that intrigues me, is why did the brothers split? If I put myself in that situation, after all we had been through, I wouldn't have wanted to split up like that.
        Same thing I was thinking!
        Originally posted by Charlie6Delta View Post
        Awesome read Rob, thanks for sharing. I love family histories.
        Me too! WE have been working on it off & on for two years on Ancestry.com Really tough to even get to the 1870's as the slave records are horribly recorded. I guess I will hire someone later this year to get us back on track. We have learned that my grandfather of youth is not my PawPaw.......it appears my real grandfather is the brother or nephew of the plantation owner! My mom simply said, "I heard the rumors all my childhood and was teased by other kids!" Really tough times in deep southeast Louisiana.

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          #64
          My Mom's side of the family is pretty well documented.

          The Leggett side is where the wild things lived.

          Samuel Starling
          Born bet 1600 and 1610
          Bedforshire, England

          William Starling
          Unkown

          John Starling
          Death 1722

          Robert Starling
          Death April 12th 1777

          Robert Sterling (Married to Joanna)
          Died Preston County West Virginia

          Andrew Sterling
          Born March 7, 1770 Preston Co West Virginia
          Dies 1814 Preston Co West Virginia

          John Sterling
          Born July 19, 1794 Preston Co West Virginia
          Died Feb 7th 1839

          Andrew Jackson Sterling (my great-great grandpa)
          Born May 25th 1825 Preston Co, WV
          Died Jun 4 1902 Dickinson Co, Kansas

          Winfield Lincoln Sterling (my great grandpa)
          Born April 26th 1862 in Preston Co WV
          Died Sept 9 1936 in Edinburg Texas

          Charles Winfield Sterling (my grandpa)
          Born Dec 24th 1899 Dayton Kansas
          Died Feb 17th 1990 in McAllen Texas

          Charles married Esther Heacock (my grandma)
          Born Feb 26th 1904 in Kingsly Iowa
          Died March 30th 1983 in Weimer, Texas

          Fanny Alice Sterling (Mom)
          Born January 9th, 1935 in Edinburg Texas

          Married


          Gene Franklin Leggett (Dad)
          Born 1936 in Edinburg Texas
          Died Jan 1, 1986 in Dallas, Texas

          Sons

          John Sterling ('59 Patterson, New Jersey), Mark Randall ('62 Dilley, Texas) and
          Steven Blaine Leggett
          ('61 in San Antonio, Texas)

          I Married

          Valerie Rene Neely
          Born January 27th 1966 in Geary, OK

          my kids:

          Blaine Elizabeth Leggett
          Born Dec 30th 1998

          Neely Alexandra Leggett
          Born May 18th 2004

          My Dad's sister JoAnn married Henry Moser. I'm not sure if that's how I'm related to D-Mo but do know that we have mutual relatives in Edcouch Elsa Texas. I think via the Thomason family.
          Last edited by Legdog; 02-05-2014, 11:07 AM.

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            #65
            Awesome stuff here. Thanks for sharing. I have little to no family history to speak of but my wife is a descendants of Thomas J. Handy and she has lots of records and documents of his history here in south texas.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Legdog View Post

              My Dad's sister JoAnn married Henry Moser. I'm not sure if that's how I'm related to D-Mo but do know that we have mutual relatives in Edcouch Elsa Texas. I think via the Thomason family.
              I don't think I've got any kin left in the valley. The Roberts side of my family moved down there and back in 1 generation. Got some Thomas on dad's side, but I don't believe they made it that far south. I'll check on that Henry Moser.....he sounds sketchy.
              Last edited by Dale Moser; 02-05-2014, 11:41 AM.

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                #67
                Why were they denied entry into the US? Maybe they both had obvious physical signs of some illness and the guy doing the inspection didn't get any from his old lady the night before and was in a nasty mood. Who knows? They would turn people away to avoid bringing disease into the US. Keep digging.

                I don't agree with the Nazi point. My Dad grew up in NYC in the Czech neighborhood, and then there were the Hungarians, and then the Germans. In the Bundt Halls in the 1930s, the National Socialists had 'brown shirt' meetings and were bringing together like-minded Germans. He remember the old Czech guys going there at night. With baseball bats. Czechs and Germans have a nasty history, especially shown with what Hitler did with the Sudetenland take over.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by AtTheWall View Post

                  One thing many don't realize is, when the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe, the Jews were targeted, which is a part of history we all know but, they also targeted indigenous families with names and lineage that defied Germany. The Soviets then finished up with their own style of ethnic family cleansing during their period of Soviet control.

                  Thanks guys - I guess I needed to unload some of this here?
                  At the Nurenberg trails, 3.3 million people died. Today it grew into 7 million. The Nazis murdered millions of Catholics, protestants, and others as well.

                  But remember, killing a million a million humans is unthinkable, but Stalin killed 30 million of his own countrymen by execution and starvation.

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                    #69
                    Very interesting read AtTheWall. I watched that show last night too. I also recorded it and will watch again with my kids (late teens) so they can have an understanding of what went on then.

                    "My father and my Grandfathers all come from foreign soils and each had to fight and struggle to become American’s and or survive the wrath of Nazism, Communism and Socialism."

                    If we're not REAL diligent we will be fighting that same fight. The wolves are in the door and standing in our living rooms now.IMHO

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                      #70
                      Ancestry.com has put a few puzzle pieces together since I last looked. It seems that ol Peter Wilhemus Moser got tired of Ittlengen Germany sometime between 1722, and 1754....and loaded the boat for West Virginia. The Mosers hung out there until the early 1800s when they headed over to Tennessee, and good old Berry S. Moser was the 1st one to step foot on Texas between 1887 and 1893.
                      Last edited by Dale Moser; 02-05-2014, 11:55 AM.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by rtp View Post
                        I thought the KKK was nothing but Republicans.
                        Well, this brings an interesting sidebar to the story. Today of course, Texas is a solid red state. But prior to the '90s it was solidly blue.

                        In the early part of the 20th Century, the KKK was indeed healthy in Texas along with about two dozen other states (incl. several northern states).

                        Which brings me to my grandfather - the lone town doctor in Pflugerville and later Hutto, just north and east of Austin. My mother found his KKK attire in a trunk in the attic, and was admonished by her mother to never speak of it.

                        So yes, the KKK was thoroughly infiltrated into all the social strata, not just the low-lifes that are depicted today.

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                          #72
                          Interesting read, thanks!

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by AJ the TP Guru View Post
                            So yes, the KKK was thoroughly infiltrated into all the social strata, not just the low-lifes that are depicted today.
                            No doubt sir.........no doubt! thanks for sharing.

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                              #74
                              Very interesting read Rob. Thanks for sharing.

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                                #75
                                awesome read

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