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    Rattling- A tactic over used?

    To preface: This is not directed at anyone or intended to be any kind of expert advice.

    So, I have been pondering this question a lot and as many folks in different areas seem to see the rut approaching or already arriving the rattling horns are coming out strong. What is your opinion on the question(s) below?

    1. Is rattling a good deer hunting tactic that is often over used and maybe even worse, used when it should not be?

    In my opinion, the answer is yes but I know that MANY countless factors contribute to the validity or invalidity to this statement. Factors that affect deer, hunting conditions, rutting conditions.

    1. Time of year:
    - I think too many people try to use rattling horns as an attractant at the wrong time of year and far too often. Deer are naturally curious animals so on occasion, YES, some people do rattle up bucks in early fall or other times of the year. However, for the intended purpose the means of rattling should be saved for the heaviest part of the rut when bucks are actively seeking does in estrus.

    2. Weather:
    - I have seen little correlation with temperature but I do believe two things make a big difference. (1) Wind- if it is very windy it can be difficult to get the sound to carry out. If it is not windy enough you can be more susceptible to getting busted by a wary animal.

    3. Time of Day:
    - I almost never rattle in the afternoon. In fact, I would prefer to not rattle after 11 AM or so depending on the conditions. I have had my best experiences in the early morning and mid-morning after a major feed. I have had some success rattling bucks at mid-day in South Texas.

    4. Deer Density/Population:
    - I think this is by far the most important and most crucial determining factor in rattling bucks. If over density is an issue in an area then I believe rattling is much less effective. Competition is driven down and response to rutting conditions are less substantial. Also, buck:doe ratio is a major factor. More does:Less bucks mean less competition and less rutting activity. In fact, often times I think the "rut" is drug out over several weeks to multiple months as does come in and out of estrus in some areas. This makes it very hard to determine is and when to rattle. On the flip side of this is less populated parts of the country where sex ratios are kept in check naturally I see deer a very respondent to rattling and a more defined rutting period can be identified.

    5. Strategy/Location:
    - I never rattle from inside of a box blind. I think it is important to be close to the ground and in the open air to avoid muffling sound and/or echoing. YOU MUST PLAY THE WIND!!! I have rattled bucks up from down wind as have many folks but I still think it is important to try and set yourself up to rattle deer from up or cross wind. Do not rattle in an area where you can see over an extended area. Sure, you can if you have no choice but you might very well be missing deer who do not break into the open area you are in. This results in a missed opportunity and also educates a deer unseen to the noise you are making. I think that is very important. I try to get above the area I anticipate a deer will come from and stay upwind. Be prepared to shoot and make sure everything is ready before you begin to rattle. Move as little as possible and keep your eyes and ears open!


    If you are to rattle year round and/or very frequently I believe you over-saturate the woods with a natural or maybe not so natural sound (depending on how you rattle). Mature deer will begin to learn that the sound is unnatural and possibly even begin to avoid it. (this is speculation but I believe it to be true)

    This was long winded but I have spent a lot of time pondering if it is just me or if other folks observe these same things. Also, I wonder if I am along in thinking that rattling should be kept as a secret weapon until the timing and conditions are absolutely perfect. As you can gather from above I think this allows you to be more effective in rattling and it also mitigates mature deer becoming conditioned to the reproduced noise of fighting.

    Let's hear what the experts have to say!

    Thanks,

    ac

    #2
    nice write up. thanks for the information

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      #3
      I think you make a lot of really good points. For sure there are a lot more people out there rattling and it doens't take long to educate bucks. If you rattle without being able to see everything downwind of you you are probably never going to see what comes but you will teach them a lesson for sure. As far as the best time goes, the best time on our low fence hill country ranch is NOT the peak of the rut. We try to thin the does as much as possible but still have a pretty bad buck/doe ratio due to the neignbors. My best luck in rattling up mature buck over the last twenty years has been the first week of November and the few days before Thanksgiving. Generally the 14th - the 22st of November is the peak time in our area and most of the mature bucks are locked up on does. I usually get bucks to respond to rattling at this time but only immature bucks. My theory is that at the very first and at the tail end of the actual rut are the only times mature deer have to compete for the first few does to come in and the last ones at the tail end of the rut. By this theory rattling should also be good in the "secondary" rut in December but I haven't ever had any luck.

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        #4
        worked yesterday @ 1:00 broad daylight Trinity River,Leon co., cousin missed.

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          #5
          Saw a video of 2 mature bucks fighting for 3 plus minutes this past Saturday in the afternoon with a temp of 70. One of our lease members caught the whole thing on video.

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            #6
            I need to have my cousin read this!

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              #7
              Well I agree to some degree. I grunted and rattled up a mature management 9 point up Saturday evening around 430. Haven't seen this buck besides in TC pix. But he showed up lookin for who was in his Territory.
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              Not a monster but a true mature trophy.

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                #8
                I guess I should also say that I know there will be plenty of exceptions but my thoughts are geared more towards the norm. Trying to speak to a large sample size and not specific instances.

                Thanks!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Buckwheat View Post
                  Well I agree to some degree. I grunted and rattled up a mature management 9 point up Saturday evening around 430. Haven't seen this buck besides in TC pix. But he showed up lookin for who was in his Territory.
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                  Not a monster but a true mature trophy.
                  Thats a fat daddy!

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                    #10
                    1. Time of year:
                    - I think too many people try to use rattling horns as an attractant at the wrong time of year and far too often. Deer are naturally curious animals so on occasion, YES, some people do rattle up bucks in early fall or other times of the year. However, for the intended purpose the means of rattling should be saved for the heaviest part of the rut when bucks are actively seeking does in estrus.

                    In my opinion post rut is the absolute best time to rattle in mature bucks. During the rut your big boys are gonna go from doe to doe almost non stop and you aren't gonna rattle them off a hot doe.

                    2. Weather:
                    - I have seen little correlation with temperature but I do believe two things make a big difference. (1) Wind- if it is very windy it can be difficult to get the sound to carry out. If it is not windy enough you can be more susceptible to getting busted by a wary animal.

                    I prefer a windless day. You smart old bucks are going to try to circle and come upwind if it's available

                    3. Time of Day:
                    - I almost never rattle in the afternoon. In fact, I would prefer to not rattle after 11 AM or so depending on the conditions. I have had my best experiences in the early morning and mid-morning after a major feed. I have had some success rattling bucks at mid-day in South Texas.

                    When I was guiding I rattled for a client in 5 sets from 10am -2pm during the week between Christmas and new years and rattled in 14 bucks between 140 and 180 B&C.

                    4. Deer Density/Population:
                    - I think this is by far the most important and most crucial determining factor in rattling bucks. If over density is an issue in an area then I believe rattling is much less effective. Competition is driven down and response to rutting conditions are less substantial. Also, buck:doe ratio is a major factor. More does:Less bucks mean less competition and less rutting activity. In fact, often times I think the "rut" is drug out over several weeks to multiple months as does come in and out of estrus in some areas. This makes it very hard to determine is and when to rattle. On the flip side of this is less populated parts of the country where sex ratios are kept in check naturally I see deer a very respondent to rattling and a more defined rutting period can be identified.

                    The previously mentioned 14 mature bucks in 4 hours was on a ranch with a density of one deer for every two acres

                    5. Strategy/Location:
                    - I never rattle from inside of a box blind. I think it is important to be close to the ground and in the open air to avoid muffling sound and/or echoing. YOU MUST PLAY THE WIND!!! I have rattled bucks up from down wind as have many folks but I still think it is important to try and set yourself up to rattle deer from up or cross wind. Do not rattle in an area where you can see over an extended area. Sure, you can if you have no choice but you might very well be missing deer who do not break into the open area you are in. This results in a missed opportunity and also educates a deer unseen to the noise you are making. I think that is very important. I try to get above the area I anticipate a deer will come from and stay upwind. Be prepared to shoot and make sure everything is ready before you begin to rattle. Move as little as possible and keep your eyes and ears open!

                    Agreed. On the ground backed into the brush is best. Even better is have a rattler and a shooter and put your shooter a little to the front and to the side of where you expect your action to come from. Keep looking behind you (veeeeery slowly) as they will sneak up on you. Don't give up too soon. They don't all come in at a dead run with their hair on fire...some will take as long a 30 minutes to sneak in...


                    If you are to rattle year round and/or very frequently I believe you over-saturate the woods with a natural or maybe not so natural sound (depending on how you rattle). Mature deer will begin to learn that the sound is unnatural and possibly even begin to avoid it. (this is speculation but I believe it to be true)

                    Agreed. I only rattle post rut. Pre rut just brings in the young stupid ones and then they bust you and get more cautious about coming to horns.

                    This was long winded but I have spent a lot of time pondering if it is just me or if other folks observe these same things. Also, I wonder if I am along in thinking that rattling should be kept as a secret weapon until the timing and conditions are absolutely perfect. As you can gather from above I think this allows you to be more effective in rattling and it also mitigates mature deer becoming conditioned to the reproduced noise of fighting.

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                      #11
                      Concerning time of the year, I`ll always use the rattling horns as soon as I start seeing bucks tending does.

                      I have been able to lure bucks rattling in almost any kind of weather but I would say that I got the best results early foggy mornings when it`s a little cold and with no air.

                      Agree in point 4 and share point 5.

                      In my experience more bucks respond to my rattling secuences when I rattle straight from the ground and not inside a blind, or sitting up on a tripod or tower.

                      One thing I always do is start making low tickling sounds like sparring bucks for a while and once I know no deer is close I`ll upgrade banging those antlers and trying to mimmic a real deer fight, (for those who already witnessed how loud are those fights a single person can barely make as much noise as two bucks fighting) so while rattling just forget about being too loud or be in one spot, hell no! jump on bushes, rake sapplings, stomp the ground, run in circles do wathever you want or think it may serve to achieve your goal and make a buck come to your fight sound.

                      good camo is essential gloves and headnet included, if a deer comes to the sounds we make he knows he`ll see two guys fighting and expects seeing movement so don`t be shy if you need to reach for your weapon of choice just don`t make sudden or jerk movements.

                      even when we may be able to make a buck come to the rattling secuence with blistering eyes like a rodeo bull crashing throught the woods most of the time deer will remain right at the edge of the brush partially hidden trying to
                      see the guys from the distance.

                      Some of them may also come out of the brush looking straight at us like trying to determine who`s making that sound but not wanting to get any closer

                      No matter which of the above your results with a buck will be, rattling is one of the most enjoyable deer hunting experiences

                      Good hunting!

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                        #12
                        All I learned from this thread... Blue text on green background sux.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Coach W View Post
                          All I learned from this thread... Blue text on green background sux.
                          Better than yellow on white. Depends if you are reading it on tapatalk.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Coach W View Post
                            All I learned from this thread... Blue text on green background sux.
                            A lot better than red.

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                              #15
                              On matters of rattling up bucks: There is Bob Ramsey, and then there is everyone else.

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