Stabbing at Spring High School!

[tgb336]

read this comment from someone on a news article... thought it was quite noble.

Billie Rose Miller · Office Manager at Cherry House Moving Co
First and foremost...condolences to the parents of the young man that was killed. No one should ever have to get this news about there child. Unfortunately in this day and time it does become a political issue. Guns are not the problem...knives are not the problems. Lack of authority is our biggest problem. All rights of authority have been taken away from the parents and the school administrators. Kids do not learn from an early age to be respectful, to value human life, to work hard and get ahead and that violence is wrong and comes with consequences. They do not learn about God and they fear no one and value no one. Our politicians do not need to take guns away...they don't need to make the police the enforcers of our children or us. They need to give the rights back to the parents to teach their kids right from wrong. They need corporal punishment back in schools. Parents and teachers need to have their rights back to teach our children right from wrong and Heaven knows we need to teach our children the value of life through God or whatever higher power you believe in. Without these changes our lives, our children's lives and their children's lives will not get better...only worse.

[stevieray54]

Well thats the problem smack your kid for doing something wrong here comes child protective services,teachers can only use positive reinforcement. No more sent to the locker room and the coach plants a good old fashioned wood paddle on your back side.
I was in high school during Racial unrest of the late 60 early & early70s,a lot of racial fights broke out between blacks and whites.When it was all said and done no one died,very very few stabbings, a lot of getting bashed by a bat or thrown bottle. Know we all get a long fine for the most part. What are these young thugs children going to be from this generation or will they live long enough to have children

[HandiKap Bowhunter]

My wife and her brothers alma mata from the late 90s. It has turned ghetto since katrina and has only gotten worse the last couple years. My BIL literally just moved last weekend into his new house in the Conroe district to get my Neice's away from there before the get to HS.

[elf feet]

Alright, I have a lot to comment on.

My two daughters are there. My 15 yo saw the blood all over the hallway and is pretty traumatized with it all. My girls are always telling me about the incessant fights and gang activity they see there. My ex wife and i have a lot to discuss after everyone has calmed down. I don't believe they will be going back.

My heart hurts for your daughters. This is absolutely devastating. Please know that this was isolated and in no way reflects on the administration. The blood outside of the hallway was directly in front of my classroom - it was a lot of blood. If I'm traumatized I KNOW your daughters are as well.

2 gangs fighting. Cool rock nation and brown pride. 16yr old Josh Brousard (sp) dead.

Area has been going down for some time.

It was not gang fighting. It was "wanna be" "gangs" but a more accurate description would be "a group of boys who wanted to be tough guys." The Mexican group called themselves "Brown Pride" but had no correlation to the Brown Pride gang of Houston - they were simply "wanna be's."

It hurts to hear so many people say that the area has been going down. While it's absolutely true, I want y'all to know that we (Spring HS staff) have been doing all that we can to love on these students, encourage these students, and show them that they can be more than "gangstas." Not everyone there is a "gangsta." I have a LOT of VERY phenomenal students.

Reports have said its gang related. Imagine that..........

See above.

Heard the victims father speaking on the radio.....kid never had a chance from the get go. Let the little pos's kill themselves...sooner than later and themselves than us.

I'm sorry, I just have a problem with people calling these kids pos's as though it makes it OK to kill them. This was a student at my school. No, I did not know him personally, but I saw his blood, I heard his friends, and he was a student that I was called to love.

graduated from spring in 05 the school was bad then and has been going down hill fast. Just glad the rest of my family is finely out of that school.

Again, yes, the school and area isn't as good as it used to be. We (Spring staff) are doing everything possible to create a positive, loving environment for these kids. I love every single one of those students and am proud of my administration.

Wouldn't expect anything else from that high school.. Sad news

See above.

Was the dude getting jumped? If so then it sounds like self defense to me. I mean if anyone were getting jumped by three other dudes who wouldn't use anything as a weapon in order not to be beat to death. Just saying. People have a survival mode that kicks, no matter how stupid they are to be in a gang or what have you.

No, he was not getting jumped. It was an ongoing feud, but not gang related. The Mexican group attacked the black group. The Mexican group (now considered only one person) brought the "cutting instruments" to school for one purpose.

Since somebody else raised the race question, and the FBI tracks it for all crime, what were the races of the victims and the accused? I don't want to jump to any conclusions based on my stereoypical prejudice and life experience.

Hispanic and black.

According to the Harris County Sheriff’s Office a 17-year-old male is the sole suspect in this mornings stabbing of four victims at Spring High School just after 7 a.m. The suspect is not yet being named.

One victim died on the scene, a second was sent by Life Flight to Houston’s Hermann Hospital and is scheduled for surgery on his arm. Another victim was taken to Houston Northwest Medical Center and is in stable condition. Cypress Creek EMS transported another victim to Houston Northwest Medical Center and is being transferred to Hermann Hospital in stable condition.

The fight started seven days into the school year and the third fight possibly gang related. Black and Hispanic.

Parents waited outside in the Sonic and Conns parking lot for hours. It was three hours before school officials sent out the first alert was sent out by Spring ISD. With the school on lockdown parents could get in and students could not leave.

Students were finally released just after noon.

Spring ISD has cancelled classes for the rest of the week for Spring High School only.

It was reported the suspect ran up from behind and stabbed two from the back. A blood trail went from the cafeteria to the nurses office where 911 was called,

The only comment I have for this is that the administration sent out two phone calls and two emails to parents. Since it was a homicide scene, they were legally not allowed to release any information.



Boys (and girls), please know that I love my school and I have never felt threatened or scared at Spring. My administration and coworkers have spent all summer training (Capturing Kids Hearts) how to love on these kids and be the parent figure they do not have.

Please also know that this was an isolated incident. These groups have been fighting for a long time. It was not random (ie other students were never at risk).

Also, PLEASE understand that, yes, this school has gotten more "ghetto," but we also have TONS of AMAZING kids. The population is 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 hispanic. I have a LOT of amazing black, hispanic, and white kids. I also have a lot of pretty ghetto black, hispanic, and white kids. I love every one and strive every day to make Spring a safe, welcoming place for them.

Please pray for me. I saw a lot of blood today. Even though Joshua was not my student I still loved him as a student of Spring and my heart is breaking. Spring staff LOVE our students and try to show them that every day.

[TildenHunter]

Alright, I have a lot to comment on.



My heart hurts for your daughters. This is absolutely devastating. Please know that this was isolated and in now way reflects on the administration. The blood outside of the hallway was directly in front of my classroom - it was a lot of blood. If I'm traumatized I KNOW your daughters are as well.



It was not gang fighting. It was "wanna be" "gangs" but a more accurate description would be "a group of boys who wanted to be tough guys." The Mexican group called themselves "Brown Pride" but had no correlation to the Brown Pride gang of Houston - they were simply "wanna be's."

It hurts to hear so many people say that the area has been going down. While it's absolutely true, I want y'all to know that we (Spring HS staff) have been doing all that we can to love on these students, encourage these students, and show them that they can be more than "gangstas." Not everyone there is a "gangsta." I have a LOT of VERY phenomenal students.



See above.



I'm sorry, I just have a problem with people calling these kids pos's as though it makes it OK to kill them. This was a student at my school. No, I did not know him personally, but I saw his blood, I heard his friends, and he was a student that I was called to love.



Again, yes, the school and area isn't as good as it used to be. We (Spring staff) are doing everything possible to create a positive, loving environment for these kids. I love every single one of those students and am proud of my administration.



See above.



No, he was not getting jumped. It was an ongoing feud, but not gang related. The Mexican group attacked the black kids. They brought the "cutting instruments" to school for one purpose.



Hispanic and black.



The only comment I have for this is that the administration sent out two phone calls and two emails to parents. Since it was a homicide scene, they were legally not allowed to release any information.



Boys (and girls), please know that I love my school and I have never felt threatened or scared at Spring. My administration and coworkers have spent all summer training (Capturing Kids Hearts) how to love on these kids and be the parent figure they do not have.

Please also know that this was an isolated incident. These groups have been fighting for a long time. It was not random (ie other students were never at risk).

Also, PLEASE understand that, yes, this school has gotten more "ghetto," but we also have TONS of AMAZING kids. The population is 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 hispanic. I have a LOT of amazing black, hispanic, and white kids. I also have a lot of pretty ghetto black, hispanic, and white kids. I love every one and strive every day to make Spring a safe, welcoming place for them.

Please pray for me. I saw a lot of blood today. Even though Joshua was not my student I still loved him as a student of Spring and my heart is breaking. Spring staff LOVE their students and try to show them that every day.

Sorry you had to deal with this.

Very well said. Prayers for you and your kids.

[law1piv]

Glad your wife is ok .Prayers Sent!!!

[Chew]

The charge of murder has been filed against 17 year-old Luis Alonzo Alfaro in connection to this morning's fatal stabbing at Spring High School in north Harris County.

The stabbing occurred during a physical altercation between several students in the hallways. During the altercation the suspect produced a knife and fatally stabbed the victim to death and injured 3 other victims. The 3 victims were transported to local hospitals and were treated and released.

The suspect was interviewed by HCSO Homicide Investigators and admitted to the stabbing.

A photo of Alonzo Alfaro is currently not available.

[systemnt]

Elf feet,
While ill disagree with you on their gang affiliation.. i do know what you say of the teachers and immediate administration is true..you do love these kids and you are doing the best you can. Cant say the same for the superintendant or the board that continues to undermine your efforts.

Prayers with you and i hope you and the school can cope and one day recover.

[systemnt]

The charge of murder has been filed against 17 year-old Luis Alonzo Alfaro in connection to this morning's fatal stabbing at Spring High School in north Harris County.

The stabbing occurred during a physical altercation between several students in the hallways. During the altercation the suspect produced a knife and fatally stabbed the victim to death and injured 3 other victims. The 3 victims were transported to local hospitals and were treated and released.

The suspect was interviewed by HCSO Homicide Investigators and admitted to the stabbing.

A photo of Alonzo Alfaro is currently not available.

They showed him being walked away in handcuffs on the news tonight. Fronting the thug look that will serve him well as someones girlfreind in prison.

Can capital murder be assessed for a 17 yearold?

[elf feet]

Elf feet,
While ill disagree with you on their gang affiliation.. i do know what you say of the teachers and immediate administration is true..you do love these kids and you are doing the best you can. Cant say the same for the superintendant or the board that continues to undermine your efforts.

Prayers with you and i hope you and the school can cope and one day recover.

Don't even get me started on the superintendant (meaning: I agree with you).

Could you expound on the gang affiliation? As far as we (the staff) have been informed (last year and this year) there has been no recruiting in the neighborhoods for these groups - they are strictly in-school. These groups fight outside of school, but they do not recruit in the way gangs, as I know them, do. We have been told that, while they may be "gangs" inside of the school, they are not gangs in the broader sense of the word. As far as I'm (and the other Spring staff I have spoken to) are concerned, they are just a group of punk kids who want people to think they are tough. But I am more than happy to be corrected.

[Chew]

They showed him being walked away in handcuffs on the news tonight. Fronting the thug look that will serve him well as someones girlfreind in prison.

Can capital murder be assessed for a 17 yearold?

No. They changed the law a while back. 18 and up. I don't think this meets the elements of the offense for capital murder anyway.

[tvc184]

It was not gang fighting. It was "wanna be" "gangs" but a more accurate description would be "a group of boys who wanted to be tough guys." The Mexican group called themselves "Brown Pride" but had no correlation to the Brown Pride gang of Houston - they were simply "wanna be's."

I hate to break this to you but if they are killing people in the name of being a gang, they aren't wannabe.

We has such a gang in our city a few years ago (out of the many gangs). The kids at school laughed at them because they had a funny name. They called them wannabes.

That is up until the shot up a house of member of another gang that was giving them trouble. Unfortunately the intended target had moved a couple of weeks earlier and they hit a house of a family with small children. The mother was killed in her bed.

All of a sudden they were considered a ruthless gang whose actions killed an innocent person.



If they "wannabe" a gang member, they are a gang member. Changing the title to something that sounds less threatening doesn't change that. I can remember our local teachers saying that there were no gangs in our schools.... only wannabes.

Oh well, if some want to somehow feel better about the situation by saying it was a wannabe that stabbed several people and killed one instead of a "real" gang member, so be it.

In my opinion.

[elf feet]

I hate to break this to you but if they are killing people in the name of being a gang, they aren't wannabe.

We has such a gang in our city a few years ago (out of the many gangs). The kids at school laughed at them because they had a funny name. They called them wannabes.

That is up until the shot up a house of member of another gang that was giving them trouble. Unfortunately the intended target had moved a couple of weeks earlier and they hit a house of a family with small children. The mother was killed in her bed.

All of a sudden they were considered a ruthless gang whose actions killed an innocent person.



If they "wannabe" a gang member, they are a gang member. Changing the title to something that sounds less threatening doesn't change that. I can remember our local teachers saying that there were no gangs in our schools.... only wannabes.

Oh well, if some want to somehow feel better about the situation by saying it was a wannabe that stabbed several people and killed one instead of a "real" gang member, so be it.

In my opinion.

There's absolutely no reason to be rude or mean. If you read my last post I asked why systemnt disagreed with my statement that it wasn't gang related and said that I was open to being corrected.

You are correct that killing someone takes it to a new level. When I hear the word "gang" I think of people actively recruiting and hazing people, running around the neighborhood causing serious trouble. These students did none of that. These groups are limited to this school and maybe one other school in the district.

I am not sugar-coating it and I am not pulling the wool over my eyes... and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I am. I know a lot more about the situation than you do... especially considering it happened 20 feet from my classroom.

[tvc184]

They showed him being walked away in handcuffs on the news tonight. Fronting the thug look that will serve him well as someones girlfreind in prison.

Can capital murder be assessed for a 17 yearold?

Capital murder? Yes.

Death penalty? No.

Texas did execute adults that were 17 when the crime was committed. In 2005 the US Supreme Court overturned that in Roper v. Simmons.

For criminal acts federal law recognizes 18 as an adult and Texas recognizes 17. Five members of the Court decided that states have to go by federal law and not state law when it comes to determining if a person is an adult for death sentence purposes.

Texas only has two penalties for Capital Murder, death or life without parole. If a 17 year old (or 15-16 that is certified) commits CM, the only penalty is life without parole.

I agree with Chew in that this is not likely a CM case. CM is Murder and the victim is a police officer or firefighter in the line of duty, during another felony like burglary, robbery or sexual assault.

BUT...... under that section is also murder for hire or for "retaliation". Retaliation is a crime that involves injuring or threatening a person due to the person being a public servant, a witness, an informant or a person that intends to report a crime.

While this is probably murder, it could be CM if the victim was killed because the suspect thought that he was about to snitch, he had already reported a crime or he was about to be a witness in a crime. If any of those existed and the DA thinks that it could be proven, CM is still a possible charge but being 17, he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

[07jk]

Like Dekaney High School