New scoring system for bucks

[LukeDuke]

I always thought this would be the most fair way to measure non-typicals.

I would call it the "Pure Mass" method.

It would be fun to remeasure all the top B&C entries and declare the "Pure Mass World Record"

[Smokeater]

Just get rid of deductions. That's the stupid part. Measure gross and be done. Typical or non.

[curtintex]

Just get rid of deductions. That's the stupid part. Measure gross and be done. Typical or non.

He grows it....I count it.

[Stuck]

Difficulty....Hey Bob! I missed a buck that would score 3 gallons!

This made me laugh.

[chrischop04]

He grows it....I count it.

This method would take things even further

[BO-N-ARO]

We need to remember why the B&C system is what it is. It was started because the animals of North America were quickly becoming a thing of the past. Before seasons and limits were established commercial killing was wiping everything out. A plan was put in place to collect one of every North American animal for the American museum for preservation.
The scoring system was started to track and record these animals to see if the herds were getting weaker or stronger and their range larger or smaller.
It's all based on symmetry and the "perfect" or the best example of each animal. That's why the Non-Typical categories are measured as typical first ( with the deductions for non-symmetry) and the non-typical features added.
Buck Masters started a record book for whitetails and they called it the Full Credit Scoring System, where it had no deductions. Problem was, the width was not added, so the scores actually ended up as a smaller number than B&C in most cases. The hunters did not like this so several years into it, they started adding the Composite Score, adding the inside width, giving it what most folks call the Gross Score. This made the number BIGGER!!
A water displacement system would for sure give you a measurement that would be related to the total amount of horn material grown, but that is not what the B&C system was about.
The world record typical whitetail, the Milo Hanson Buck, is very very symmetrical. There are many bucks out there that to me are much more impressive to me but the final score came up short.
Take the B&C (and the P&Y as it is based on the same ) for what it is.

[txfireguy2003]

Sounds good to me. Take the skull cap, dunk it in water and measure the displacement, gives exact volume, and if measured in mililiters, it will give the exact volume in cubic centimeters. If you want to have credit for spread, add 1cc per centimeter of spread.

[Z7e_-->]

He grows it....I count it.

Yep ^^^^^

[Curtis32]

Scoring by total volume of antler with displaced water is not a new idea. It would be a lot more accurate than the current b&c system. Only problem is no credit for spread.

You don't need credit for spread. That's just air and cosmetic anyway. It really should just be supplemental data as far as scoring systems go. Not part of the score.

[Curtis32]

I have been thinking about the current scoring system. Not that I hate it or anything I just feel like it has a lot of flaws and a diff system could be better. If this is a dumb idea just tell me how u feel I don't mind. Here is my idea take the rack as if u were going to make a replica of the antlers and make the mold close the mold up and and fill it up with water or whatever and see how many oz or ml it holds this system will show every little detail. Mass would be a lot more accurate would even show tine mass and those little point and stuff that doesn't count in the other system but is bone just like reg tines. Only downfall I can see is it would cost quit a bit of money to find out what ur buck scores on this system. Like I said if u think this is dumb just tell me I don't care just an idea of mine.

Takes way too long to make a mold. People want to know a score ASAP and too impatient for that. Your going to have hell when you have to measure a large set of elk antlers too. The idea has been around before and was just a lot of trouble for people to use.

[kparker158]

Wouldn't even have to make a mold. You could just put in a container with know amount of water and then see how much was displaced . Right ?

That's what I was thinking. Their antlers get wet all the time anyway. Don't see why not.