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    Heisman Thoughts

    There has been a lot of discussion about this year's Heisman and whether Manziel of TAMU is worthy due to him being a RS Freshman, having a couple of losses, etc. Someone made the argument that you have to put together a couple of good seasons to win the Heisman. Someone in another thread mentioned that Colt McCoy deserved one (if not two he said:roll eyes. Someone replied to that comment that both Vince and Colt were NFL washouts.

    That made me think about some winners of the Heisman and where they are now. It also made me think of a few that got hosed out of the Heisman (in my opinion) that they deserved.

    I believe that the Heisman should be based on that season's performance and that season alone. It matters not to me what kind of NFL career that Heisman winner has....that has nothing to do with his Heisman-winning collegiate season.

    I think the Heisman winner should be the best player in the nation THAT SEASON. His stats should be SICK. His team should be successful to a degree. He should be a "game-changer".

    Some thoughts:

    Tebow at Florida won it as a Sophomore in his first season as a starter at QB. He was the most deserving of the Heisman that year in my opinion.

    Vince Young at Texas got hosed in my opinion and Bush only got the Heisman because he played at USC. Vince was hands down the best player in the nation that season. (I'm an Aggie and it hurts to say that)

    Peyton Manning of Tennesseelost out on the Heisman to Charles Woodson if memory serves. One of the greatest QBs of our generation lost his Heisman to a defensive player.

    Charlie Ward of Florida State won the Heisman and played several years in the NBA. Deserving of he Heisman yet no NFL success. (Bobby Bowden called him the best athlete he'd ever coached)

    Eric Crouch of Nebraska won the Heisman and was a STUD in college, despite being a head case in the NFL.

    Gino Torretta of Miami? PLEEEEEEEASE?!?!?!?!?!?

    Jason White of OU over Larry Fitzgerald and Eli Manning. White had a HUGE year, but how much of that was a product of the system. Fitzgerald was and is a stud.

    Andre Ware of Houston? Product of the Run and Shoot...enough said.

    Ron Dayne of Wisconsin won his Heisman simply because that year he happened to break the "career" rushing record, which is a product of several seasons....not that ONE. His season certainly wasn't as spectacular as that of Michael Vick who also had his team in the National Championship game.

    So what are some of your thoughts of past winners that shouldn't have? Past finalists that should have won it and didn't? Or some that were snubbed all together and maybe didn't even get an invite to NYC?

    #2
    Marshall Faulk got robbed in 1992

    #28 was a true Sophmore on a team that sucked 5-5-1 . Led the country in rushing with 1630 yds , 7 yds per carry, and only played in 9 games . 4 games over 200 yds and 1 game over 300 yds

    Gino Toretta won the Heisman b/c he was a a senior, Miami was 11-1, and they were playing in the NCG - Sugar Bowl

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      #3
      ttt

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        #4
        One of the biggest screw jobs I ever saw was the fact that Antwaan Randle El wasn't even invited to NYC. The guy played for a crappy team but he was their ENTIRE team. Opposing teams could focus on him exclusively and he was still successful. IMO, he was the best of his class.

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          #5


          Sam Montgomery says JFF deserves it this year.

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            #6
            I think it will be Klein that wins it. Manziel may get an invite after the win yesterday, but won't win. I also believe it should go to the best player in college football, regardless of how many losses his team has.

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              #7
              it almost seems to be a curse to win it. it sure seems that there are a lot of guys that win it are never all that successful in the nfl. i think some years they should just not award it.

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                #8
                Where did the extra F come from in the JFF moniker? He is a great player and will probably get invited to NY like the Honey Beaver did last year but will not win. His best chance is next year if he continues to preform like he has and does not get hurt. The media decides the Heisman and it does not necessarally always go to the best player, just the one that gets the most hype. Harder for a player that is not on the east or west coast to win just because that is where most of the sports writers are located and the kids out there get the most hype. TAM would go 2 and 10 without him IMO, so yes he is definately a game changer and the best TAM has by a long shot. I hope we does good but he will not win this year.

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                  #9
                  I do believe that McCoy got robbed at least once if not twice.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by shaft_slinger00 View Post
                    I do believe that McCoy got robbed at least once if not twice.
                    By who?

                    Tebow? Nope. Bradford? Nope. Ingram? Nope.

                    McCoy didn't deserve it over either of these three in the given years.
                    Last edited by curtintex; 11-11-2012, 04:22 PM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by curtintex View Post
                      By who?

                      Tebow? Nope. Bradford? Nope. Ingram? Nope.

                      McCoy didn't deserve it over either of these three in the given years.
                      i think mccoy and bradford were a wash. it went to bradford. i still don't see what the hype was all about ingram.

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                        #12
                        Most winners of the trophy do almost nothing in the NFL.

                        It should be the best player in the country. There's some other criteria that go with it I think. I believe a big part of manziels current momentum is knee jerk though.

                        Yes I think Vince got robbed, as did Colt twice. And Peyton. And Hershel walker 2 times.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by quackerback View Post
                          i think mccoy and bradford were a wash. it went to bradford. i still don't see what the hype was all about ingram.
                          He played at bama in the almighty sec and his daddy was in prison.

                          The big 12 champ game also likely cost colt. When the officials decided to not let Texas block suh low it made it a tough day with Davis calling the plays

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by quackerback View Post
                            i think mccoy and bradford were a wash. it went to bradford. i still don't see what the hype was all about ingram.
                            McCoy and Bradford were a wash, but Bradford got more votes. You certainly cannot say that McCoy was robbed of it. That voting was very close if I remember....Bradford just did edge him out.

                            If Ingram didn't deserve it, and I tend to agree, it should have went to Toby Gerhart. McCoy finished 3rd in voting in 2009.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by PYBUCK View Post
                              Where did the extra F come from in the JFF moniker? He is a great player and will probably get invited to NY like the Honey Beaver did last year but will not win. His best chance is next year if he continues to preform like he has and does not get hurt. The media decides the Heisman and it does not necessarally always go to the best player, just the one that gets the most hype. Harder for a player that is not on the east or west coast to win just because that is where most of the sports writers are located and the kids out there get the most hype. TAM would go 2 and 10 without him IMO, so yes he is definately a game changer and the best TAM has by a long shot. I hope we does good but he will not win this year.
                              Well... Survey says???? Wrong!!!!

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