i need gun help big time!

[trophy8]

i purchased a custom remington model 700 this weekend. it has an h-s precision stock. stainless barrel and was built on a remington 700 action. i was told and under the impression it was a normal .280 remington. wrong! i noticed the barrel was twisted more than normal as i could not read the caliber on it. i took it to a freind of mine at tejas shooting sports and he told me it had a headspace problem from the looks of it. i then took it to gun sport, ltd. i had john look at it and he took the gun completely apart. on the barrel we saw it did say .280 rem after that it said IMP which means it was rechambered for the wildcat cartridge .280 ackley(not sure on spelling) the neck is larger than a normal 280 which causes the shells to to kicked out of the action prior to entereing the chamber as they coem up from the magazine. what do i do? he said that the gun probably had a headspace problem and they redid it when they rechambered it and they had to take some of the barrel off or something like that to fix it. thus causing the abnormal positioning of the barrel. i do not want to shoot this thing before i figure out exactly what the deal is. i need help in figuring out what to do with it. i need a headspace gauge to size it and then go about gettin someone to handload some shells. this gun has turned into a temporary nightmare for me. this may be confusing becuase i am far from a gun expert. any help guys?

[texas bound]

Find the best gun smith in you area and take it to him and have them fix it for you. If you try and do it yourself you could really hurt yourself if you mess it up. Good luck man

[ranchdog]

Take it back and get your money back. If he won't take the dude to small claims court. Why mess with something you were not told about. Sorry for your trouble.

RD

[Bily Lovec]

you may want to hunt down that SOB that sold it to you and go Chew on his @$$...


going by memory, you can still shoot factory ammo in an ackley improved barreled rifle. you're just not going to be as accurate due to the case not fitting as snugly as a normal chamber cut...

you can get all the info you need on this over at www.accuratereloading.com

[Bones]

Ill give you $100 for it, that might help ease the pain..............

[trophy8]

i want to keep the gun. the guy shot it he used it all the time. its a nice shooting rifle but he lives in christoval . a man who knows him recognized the gun and told me about it. he said its a very accurate rig but to have it sized and all so i can get some custom made bullets which it requires to get anywhere close to accurate. he said factory loads suck out of it. but he said it is deadly accurate with custom loads.

[SabreKiller]

Take it to a reputable gunsmith...

tell him your problem. He will have to cast the chamber and then measure the cast to see what particular caliber it is. Then the headspace needs to be checked. Then the bore needs to be checked. You can shoot regular 280 ammo in that gun, it only fireforms the brass to the 280 IMP. shape. At this stage of the game, you have no idea what you have.

Whatever you do, don't shoot it until you are absolutely sure what you have. If you have a severe headspace problem, the case could rupture and you could be seriously injured. 10-1 if they barrel was screwed on so that you could not see the IMP, then someone has done some shoddy work. Post some pics of the gun if you have a chance.

Take this as a lesson learned. Always make sure of what you're puchasing. Especially if it's a "custom" gun. You never know what's been done to it. Did you buy it from someone you know or what.

[bwssr]

Texbud and Ranch are right...
on a side not, if the head space is foumd to be good...then "most" alkies are fired formed brass...you chamber a .280, fire it, now you have the fire formed brass.
I don't realy like it, but that's how it's done.
Take it back..unless it's a gun show special..worst case, have it re barreled

[KCG]

Buy yourself a press and a set of dies and start loading your own shells. It's a lot of fun and you end up getting to shoot a lot more than normal folk. It's fun to hear them griping about how much ammo costs too. I think my .44 mag shells cost me like 4.00 per hundred...

As far as repairing the rifle, you could always have it rebarreled. You are looking at at least three hundred for a good barrel (like a Fajen, Shilen, etc), and then probably another couple hundred for labor for a good smith to install it. So, I guess you have to decide if it's worth it to you or not... Of course, there are several sources for custom handloaded ammo if you are not in the mood to start loading your own. Do a little research and you will find scads of individuals that would be glad to load some shells for you. Of course, it's gonna cost you a little bit more than green box Remingtons, but it's still cheaper in the short run than rebarreling, especially if you aren't pumping hundreds of rounds through it a week...

Oh and yeah, you should still be able to shoot factory .280's in it, but your cases will form fit to the chamber upon firing. If your action is kickin shells out, load them one at a time...

[cantexduck]

I will go 150.

They guy mis led you. I for one would not shoot any factory load in a wildcat. If you do not reload it is going to be expensive to have someone else do it for you.
You need to add AI in you signature.

[bowhuntntxn]

I agree w/bwssr. fire form a few casings and do not worry about grouping. Then take the casings to a good loader, and play around until you get good groups.

[trophy8]

yea the fire forming is what i was told to do. i am gonna have a gunsmith take look it over from top to bottom. the gun is a very good feeling gun its worth what the money just gotta fix the problems. i bought it from a guy at a gunshow and its like a used car i guess? ya never know till you drive the thing. thanx for the help guys. and i dont think im gonna have to put a new barrel on it he shot it with handloads so i think after the g.s. checks it out i will go from there. i just dont want it blowin to peices on me cuz then not only do i have a hospital bill i would lose the gun completely

[Smart]

***** Trophy.....that .......well...sucks....

Is there something from keeping you from getting your money back? I'm assuming it was a gun show trade out?

[ZZ Pops]

I'd try to get my money back. It sounds like there is more going on with that rifle than just being converted to .280 Ackley Improved. According to the Nosler Reloading Guide No. 4, there are several versions of the Ackley Improved. The version they chose for the book actually shows that the neck is smaller than the .280 by .007" but the shoulder of the AI version is 40 degrees versus 17deg/30min for the .280. Someone must have done some serious reaming into the chamber to get the dimensions they wanted.

[stopper]

get you some 280 ackerly ammo and start shooting. You can get the dies and bushing from RCBS and load them your self.