Blue Lacy Aggressive Behavior Questions...

[Deer Tracks]

Understood.

[Kdog]

holepuncher, Cotton, & Sika - I read the posts above and cannot find where any of you contradicted or disagreed with each other, although you all seem to think so. I think you were just talking about different situations (on a blood trail / bay versus everyday life.)

[dcbrown]

I agree with Kdog. I have just learned more intelligent thoughts about dog training, in this thread, than in the last two or three books on training that I have read...

[Cotton]

It's a small disagreement and I believe we are both talking about the dog's behavior in general but the disagreement comes at the recovery.

Like getting two bowhunters to agree on all the same equipment you put two handlers together they are not going to agree 100% on how to handle dogs. I have all the respect in the world for Sika and I wouldn’t hesitate a split second to call her if I needed help finding a downed animal. We just have some different viewpoints. Does that mean one is right and one is wrong? Nah, I’d like to think our little discussions brings more to the table, I know she has made me rethink things from time to time. That’s saying something… I can be hard headed every once in awhile!?!

[txhighrack]

i have a red lacy female and she is the same way. whenever she claims a deer in the field i have no problem with her. its when we get back to the cleaning station where all of the aggresion starts. if a dog or someone she doesnt know tries to get close to it she wont let them. she will show her teeth to other dogs and if they dont leave and get closer she will attack them. with humans she will show her teeth and start to get aggresive with them. i have told people not to mess with her while she is with a deer at the cleaning station and they just say yeah ok and blow me off and get closer and she wont let them. so what i do is take her to the cleaning station let her know that she did a good job and then go take her to her pen and that solves that problem. i should probabley punish her for acting like that but i dont want to punish her for doing what i want to her to do, so that is how i solve my problem.

[Audra]

I read something from a dog trainer a few weeks ago. She was saying that when you praise your dog, instead of just saying, "good boy" or "Good Rex" to re-affirm what you are praising him for by saying things like "good sit" or "good stay". You are praising him, but at the same time, you are reminding him of the command and being specific. I've been trying it with our new lab. Not sure, yet, if it's made a difference, but it sounds good.

[cosmiccowboy]

I read something from a dog trainer a few weeks ago. She was saying that when you praise your dog, instead of just saying, "good boy" or "Good Rex" to re-affirm what you are praising him for by saying things like "good sit" or "good stay". You are praising him, but at the same time, you are reminding him of the command and being specific. I've been trying it with our new lab. Not sure, yet, if it's made a difference, but it sounds good.

Thats pretty much dog training 101 but we haven't come up with a good short command/praise phrase for "GOOD dog for not eating the stupid hunter that we just told to leave you and the deer alone until you got your liver"...

any suggestions?

[cosmiccowboy]

I use "gentle" and "good gentle" when taking food by hand and "no bite" and "good no bite" with my 6 month old heeler when she is feeling feisty...

maybe "no bite idiot" and "good no bite idiot"?

[Jerryg]

Ive had the same problem. Ever since introducing my new dog Digger into the pack, he has been dog agressive. He hasent growled at me but if they are alone in the dog run they are ok, as soon as I get in there, he is all over Dozer. Trust me I have put him in his place a few times and it dont get better. When they are working together they are fine, they actually complement each other since Dozer works the ground alot and Digger uses air scenting as well as ground. I know Digger has a better nose, but at this time Dozer has more hunt (this is his second year). Once they get to a dead deer the fight is on....Digger is a larger dog and wont let Dozer or any other dog get near. He has yet to be human agressive on a dead deer. Because he is such a good dog, I tolerate this behavior as long as he dosent show any human agression. I hope this ends with age and I am going to start walking and exercising them together. Once they begin working with each other in a controled enviroment, I think Digger will loose the agression.

You should have your wife take him on a walk.. weekly and enforce the basic commands. That is a good start...and work from there once they get comfortable with each other.

[Solocam]

What I have been told to do if my one of my dogs is aggressive to another is to put him/her on the ground and stand on top of her and allow all the others dogs to walk on/around the dog.

I have heard that from several credible people that I know. I have not personal had to do this or have any experiance with doing it.

[Jaspro]

LOL Jerry I named my dog Digger as well. He is a Border Coon.

Half Border Collie and Half Walker Coon Hound

[Deer Tracks]

Thats pretty much dog training 101 but we haven't come up with a good short command/praise phrase for "GOOD dog for not eating the stupid hunter that we just told to leave you and the deer alone until you got your liver"...

any suggestions?

LOL!

[Tommyh]

Growing up, a friend of mine had a problem with his shepherd/show mix being aggressive with the food dish. one slight tap with a heavy handled butter knife handle right between the eyes took care of it. it wasnt a hard tap, just a reminder that he's the dog, not the master .

[LacyLady]

Haven't had much time to check out the site lately, but Dusty Britches directed me over to read this thread.

I am so glad the dogs that some of you have gotten are doing well on blood trail, but I am worried about the over guarding some have mentioned.

qzilla, Your dogs seem to already love tracking and know what you are wanting out of him. Discouraging behavior you don't like, won't break him off deer. When he growls and you discipline after a find, he will know you are getting on him for growling and not that he did a bad job on the find.

I would give him about 3 mins. with the deer after the find and your praise. Then I would snap the lead on him and say OUT and move away from the deer at least 25 yards. Praise him and tie him to what is near. I would then go and get a small piece off the deer and throw it to him. Your friends or whoever around with you needs to be by the deer and finishing up the work of loading ect... That is your deer. He did a good job, but not his deer. Also ignore him while he is tied, until it's time to go get him to load. Do not let him returned to the deer. Do this several times throughout a time frame. When you start thinking he has the idea, then next will be repeating the same pattern, but right before it's time to load the deer, bring him back over to the deer on lead and let him get a couple of licks. If he tries to growl, snap his lead with a firm "NO" and calmly go tie him back. He will start learning that if he wants to stay by the deer, he better accept it' yours and the humans you have around. He needs to learn that ALL humans are over him and higher on the food chain.

I'm not coming down on you. Sounds like you have done a great job with his blood trail training. It shows in his intensity and love for it. I am glad the pup is getting such opportunity with you. Please call me when you get a chance, I would love to talk further and keep up with his progress on this matter.
If you don't have my number anymore, email me at bluelacydogs@sbcglobal.net and I will respond with the number.

txhighrack, I would do the same thing with your pup. I know you are dealing with it at the cleaning station, instead of the field, but still the same actions. Just think of a wild pack. If lead pack dog doesn't let a dog jump on the other dogs and be aggressive, they still come in to eat, but with more manors to the pack. If not the lead pack dog will discipline and go back to eat ignoring the dog until he comes in with manors. If he returns with no manors the corrections will repeat until he gets it. The lead pack dog establishes the packs order and they start working together to survive or they don't make it long.

This is not a breed thing. This can happen within any breed of dog, they just need to be redirected and shown different.

Dusty, can you post the picture off the Lacy site with my male and the little boy that shot his first buck? Our male is very aggressive at the find towards the dead or near dead animal, but not to humans. You can have the aggression, but it needs to be only to what you put the dog on. You want your dog to be able to have a child by that deer and the dog pays no mind to it. Once he starts telling you who you can have around the deer, he is in control.

I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, but would like to give you food for thought. If you don't agree, that's ok. Like I said, I would love to speak on the phone, it's easier than typing what I'm trying to say.

[LacyLady]

Haven't had much time to check out the site lately, but Dusty Britches directed me over to read this thread.

I am so glad the dogs that some of you have gotten are doing well on blood trail, but I am worried about the over guarding some have mentioned.

qzilla, Your dogs seem to already love tracking and know what you are wanting out of him. Discouraging behavior you don't like, won't break him off deer. When he growls and you discipline after a find, he will know you are getting on him for growling and not that he did a bad job on the find.

I would give him about 3 mins. with the deer after the find and your praise. Then I would snap the lead on him and say OUT and move away from the deer at least 25 yards. Praise him and tie him to what is near. I would then go and get a small piece off the deer and throw it to him. Your friends or whoever around with you needs to be by the deer and finishing up the work of loading ect... That is your deer. He did a good job, but not his deer. Also ignore him while he is tied, until it's time to go get him to load. Do not let him returned to the deer. Do this several times throughout a time frame. When you start thinking he has the idea, then next will be repeating the same pattern, but right before it's time to load the deer, bring him back over to the deer on lead and let him get a couple of licks. If he tries to growl, snap his lead with a firm "NO" and calmly go tie him back. He will start learning that if he wants to stay by the deer, he better accept it' yours and the humans you have around. He needs to learn that ALL humans are over him and higher on the food chain.

I'm not coming down on you. Sounds like you have done a great job with his blood trail training. It shows in his intensity and love for it. I am glad the pup is getting such opportunity with you. Please call me when you get a chance, I would love to talk further and keep up with his progress on this matter.
If you don't have my number anymore, email me at bluelacydogs@sbcglobal.net and I will respond with the number.

txhighrack, I would do the same thing with your pup. I know you are dealing with it at the cleaning station, instead of the field, but still the same actions. Just think of a wild pack. If lead pack dog doesn't let a dog jump on the other dogs and be aggressive, they still come in to eat, but with more manors to the pack. If not the lead pack dog will discipline and go back to eat ignoring the dog until he comes in with manors. If he returns with no manors the corrections will repeat until he gets it. The lead pack dog establishes the packs order and they start working together to survive or they don't make it long.

This is not a breed thing. This can happen within any breed of dog, they just need to be redirected and shown different.

Dusty, can you post the picture off the Lacy site with my male and the little boy that shot his first buck? Our male is very aggressive at the find towards the dead or near dead animal, but not to humans. You can have the aggression, but it needs to be only to what you put the dog on. You want your dog to be able to have a child by that deer and the dog pays no mind to it. Once he starts telling you who you can have around the deer, he is in control.

I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, but would like to give you food for thought. If you don't agree, that's ok. Like I said, I would love to speak on the phone, it's easier than typing what I'm trying to say.