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    Running a ranch that is not yours question?

    I was not an English major, excuse my writing:

    This is a very long story, I'm sure there will be a lot of feedback, I think?

    Quick back story. I graduated with a wildlife biology degree from Southwest Texas State University in 2005, I got introduced to the owner (of said ranch) from a friend of mine that is about to buy this ranch. I built the high fence and recommended what he should do goring forward. Come 20 years later, I have been managing the ranch, running hunts, all my clients, word of mouth. This is not a commercial place by all means, but a great place to go (averages $50,000 on hunts a year). I work 2 full time jobs, married with 2 kids, so this is a 3rd job during the hunting season. I got into a heated argument with the owner's wife recently about pricing. I typically run 5-7 weekends of hunts a year during the whitetail season, a few dove hunts, a few exotic hunts in the summer and some turkey hunts. I usually sub out the Turkey/deer hunts to Lone Oak Adventures, which is a good friend of mine since I was a kid. Our prices are with guide fees and lodging included, so my price for a 190 inch deer is $9000, I let Lone Oak Adventures come in and shoot a 195 inch deer, I charged them $8500, gave them a $500 discount. She proceeded to call me out on this discount, not just once, but 5 times. I don't make a dime off of any hunts, just what I make in tips. My other guides get paid $150/day plus tips. My kids get to shoot some management deer, which is around 130 inch deer for my work that I do out there. This past year we grossed around $86,000 in hunts, which is pretty good for a small place like ours. All the owner said for the past 20 years, just make enough money to pay for protein, which I have been doing. So the Wife proceeded to act like I have been taking advantage of the place and acted like everytime I give a hunter a discount, Im taking money from them and or possibly pocketing money, which is not true. I only run a few weekends of hunts and when I have someone that already paid full price on their target animal, I give them a little discount on another animal, which they would probably never shoot, but a good salesman would do this, looking out for the best interest of the ranch. She proceeded to tell me that I have no authority to give discounts and they are broke, so any discount that I give will break them. , Then told me that my kids get to shoot whatever they want for free, I bring my friends down for free, etc., I have never let any of my friends hunt for free, they have always paid for the weekend and most of them are just shooting does and taking the meat with them which is a huge help and blessing. I am in charge of all the cameras, looking at every picture everyday to make sure we shoot the right animal and make sure they are always of age to harvest. I book every hunt, talk to every client, half the time I ended up cooking for the hunters on top of cleaning all their animals, most weekends by myself. They have always let me come and go as I please, take the kids fishing, shoot some does, cull bucks, etc., that was the trade off. She always wants me to do a spreadsheet every year of who kills what, price for the animal, when they took a ****, lol, basically everthing. I do all the work from signing waivers, sighting guns, all the MLD paperwork, sending in harvest numbers to the state biologist, all the cleaning, most of the cooking.

    So when is it enough to stand up to her, knowing I could potentially lose a place I have been going to for 20 years now, where my kids have shot phenomenal animals, fishing, dove hunting, turkey hunting, etc.

    The one discount wasn't the only instance, I do it for some of my repeating clients, but nothing that I thought would break the bank.

    She told me that if I keep this up, it will be the cause of her divorce.
    Starts
    03-17-2025
    Ends
    03-17-2025

    #2
    Man what a crap show!
    make it work or move on
    First rule is make the owner happy
    I assume wife and husband are the owners.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Killer View Post
      Man what a crap show!
      make it work or move on
      First rule is make the owner happy
      I assume wife and husband are the owners.
      Yes, wife and husband are owners, he has always called the shots, I have never made a decision unless he said yes to it.

      Hard to move on, I treat the place like my own after 20 years. Blood sweat and tears.

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        #4
        Wow!!!!!

        Sounds like it might be one of those "All good things come to an end!" things. I hope you can work things out with them. It sounds like a sit down and heart to heart discussion is in order.

        Bisch

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          #5
          Sounds like they don’t want you making deals without approval. Look, sometimes they just like to remind you whose ranch it is. Next time, placate them by running it by them. Or move along.
          fwiw, 9k for a 190” sounds very cheap.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Bisch View Post
            Wow!!!!!

            Sounds like it might be one of those "All good things come to an end!" things. I hope you can work things out with them. It sounds like a sit down and heart to heart discussion is in order.

            Bisch
            100% of the hunts out there the past 10 years was because of me, either me, someone I know or friends.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Sika View Post
              Sounds like they don’t want you making deals without approval. Look, sometimes they just like to remind you whose ranch it is. Next time, placate them by running it by them. Or move along.
              fwiw, 9k for a 190” sounds very cheap.
              I had approval on every price through the owner, just not his wife and has never been an issue in the past.

              Yes, we have very reasonable prices, not a 5 star place, only a handful of bucks that caliber and a handful of hunters.

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                #8
                Why on earth are you dealing with the woman ?

                Has the man left the country ?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LuckyCards2006 View Post

                  100% of the hunts out there the past 10 years was because of me, either me, someone I know or friends.
                  Don't take this the wrong way, but regardless of what you have done, it's their place, not yours. You make suggestions, they make decisions. They pay the bills. You are just a pawn on their chess board.
                  Sounds like you have been a wonderful person to have inside the gates and running the show.
                  if it's been 20 years of good, don't let a few discounts come between you and the owners.
                  I dont think the friends/clients that come out would treat you different if a discount wasn't given.
                  a simple sit down with the owners would be great. Explain your thoughts process, if they don't approve then go with their wishes or relocate. I get what your doing, but they see it a different way. Try to bridge the gap and get on thr same page.
                  Don't lose a nice place on something that's an easy fix. Good luck to ya, hopefully they see the value you bring to their place.

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                    #10
                    Simple solution. Stop giving discounts. Lose the word in your vocabulary.

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                      #11
                      Now you know who the real boss is. Either run everything by her or be ready to be run off by her. It boils down to if you don't make her/them happy you will be moving on. Your time there doesn't mean anything to them unfortunately.

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                        #12
                        Are they broke? Sounds like something has gone south for them.
                        We never made a dollar off our places that didn't go back into the properties.
                        I agree with the above that all good things will end and consider yourself blessed for the great years

                        My wife would not have been as happy if I spent that much time at the ranch. And she has been patient with my hunting obsession over the years.

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                          #13
                          Only you can answer the questions you asked. Keep a level head, sit down and talk it out with the owners. Your reasoning for what you are doing, the intentions of it, what they expect, what they are good with, etc. Might be a good practice to have a ‘kick off meeting’ before each hunting season, and then a ‘wrap up session and what was good and what could be improved’. Both sides could have input in both.

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                            #14
                            Maybe ask the husband that you have been dealing with on pricing exactly who decides what decisions are the right ones, him or her? Maybe there is more going on behind the scenes than you know and a little clarification could help everyone. If he says her, then it is your decision time.......

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                              #15
                              That seems to happen in family run businesses. All of sudden a family member steps in and the new family member see’s dollar signs they could be putting in there pocket. dads made all the money he’s needed. My professional experience would be to sit down with the husband and wife. Lay it all out on the table. See where there heads at. Sounds like the husband was happy not being involved and having money to pay the bills. Now the wife sees money she could have. Not caring anything that you’re doing. Just keep a cool head and hear her out.

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