not happy with mathews

[mitchbcs]

Which side of the field points do the BH's group...

If you are right handed and the BH's are grouping to the left... then the arrow is too stiff.. add weight to the point... 125's should help but may not be enough..

If the BH's are right of the FP's then the arrows are too weak... back the poundage down

Can you explain your reasoning? I'm really wanting to learn something here... my broadheads are shooting different too. A mechanical will shoot just like a field point but put some blades out there to catch the wind... they are all over the place. Since im not very smart, I just bought some mechanicals

why does the arrow spine make the difference when the two points weight the same, your just adding blades that catch air?

Thanks Mike!

[Curtis32]

Well I guess thats one good excuse to get a new bow. Hope the problem doesn't follow.

[TexMax]

Can you explain your reasoning? I'm really wanting to learn something here... my broadheads are shooting different too. A mechanical will shoot just like a field point but put some blades out there to catch the wind... they are all over the place. Since im not very smart, I just bought some mechanicals

why does the arrow spine make the difference when the two points weight the same, your just adding blades that catch air?

Thanks Mike!

Mitch I assure you i am equally as clueless as you are but here goes. When you draw your bow your string does not come straight back (inline with your cam). It comes off at a slight angle. This is a lot of the reason your string will jump off your cam when (if) you dry fire your bow. String moves forward too fast out of line with the valley and viola, a big problem. I'm assuming that knowing which way the string angles (right handed i believe would be left of center), you should know the tendencies of an arrow based on whether it is spine'd correctly. Too stiff will push it left, too limber will go right, correct will send it down the middle. Presumably, if you were left handed, it would be opposite.

Again, pure speculation

[TXBlkCld]

Can you explain your reasoning? I'm really wanting to learn something here... my broadheads are shooting different too. A mechanical will shoot just like a field point but put some blades out there to catch the wind... they are all over the place. Since im not very smart, I just bought some mechanicals

why does the arrow spine make the difference when the two points weight the same, your just adding blades that catch air?

Thanks Mike!

I'm curious as well.

[Gonzo]

but me on the list of people who will take your switch back!!!

I will even come pick it up FOR FREE!!!

good luck bud. love my outback...

X2 on the Outback mine shoots perfect!


-Gonzo

[Mike Javi Cooper]

Can you explain your reasoning? I'm really wanting to learn something here... my broadheads are shooting different too. A mechanical will shoot just like a field point but put some blades out there to catch the wind... they are all over the place. Since im not very smart, I just bought some mechanicals

why does the arrow spine make the difference when the two points weight the same, your just adding blades that catch air?

Thanks Mike!

There are several things going on when you put a BH on the arrow vs using a field point and steering because of the vane affect is just one of them. You also move the pile forward which will make the shaft bend more. There are tons of articles on the internet about this subject so I won’t go into detail and draw all the diagrams here is a link which may explain it. (I don’t agree with some of the personal opinions expressed within the article but he gets the gist of the spine thingy correct)

The one thing he doesn’t explain is the effect of pile (weight) length on the arrow but that’s an easy one.. As the point (BH) gets longer it makes the arrow act slightly weaker.. by making the arrow act longer.. That and the amount of air the blades catch is why a shorter BH will sometimes fly better than a longer one.. especially with the short vanes which are popular today.

http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_arrows/hunting_arrows_selection_guide_chapter_3.htm

[Brazos Hunter]

To kill an animal one must shoot any Fred Bear-the Matthews dont work no more since they came out with that Z7 bow-the Hoyt Carbon Element is also a poor shooter,by the way I'm 43.

I love my Bear Instinct and have been a loyal FB owner for years but I have the same "problem". Actually it's not a problem. SOME BH's I shoot will be high and to the right (Carbon Extr). Now, my Muzzy 100 gr BH's hit dead on just like my FP.

I don't want to sound calaus but, it's not a problem or issue with your bow it's an issue of choosing the correct equipment for your set-up! You just haven't found/tried the CORRECT BH for your set-up yet.


~Michael

[Traildust]

Something else to check....I remember several years ago when I shot Gold Tips....the inserts were very loose in the arrow. Have you spin checked them with your BH to see if you are getting any wobble.

You may be over spined also.

[muzzlebrake]

Take it to Ken Witt at Cinnamon Creek and let him set it up for you and listen to what he says, then don't mess with it, just shoot it. The SB don't take a lot of tuning as long as you are shooting the correct arrow spine/weight.

[az2tx]

You may be OVER Spined. I shoot 5575's with a 28.5 draw at 70 lbs... Real tight groups with anything!

This
I had the same issues with my Elite went light spine and problem solved

[Booger74]

Sell it and buy a Bowtech. There are enough takers on this thread alone that will take it. That is until you try to sell it. Then Crickets.

[Blood Trail]

Here's a tip:
1. Try twisting your arrow nock 1/8 of an inch if it's a flyer. I always have one or two that I gotta do that with out of a dozen. 99% of the time, it brings them back in.

2. Have someone look at your form.

3. CHECK YOUR PEEP!!!! I spent about 2 days chasing my arrows only to realize that my peep would slide up and down. Have it served in!!!

[mitchbcs]

There are several things going on when you put a BH on the arrow vs using a field point and steering because of the vane affect is just one of them. You also move the pile forward which will make the shaft bend more. There are tons of articles on the internet about this subject so I won’t go into detail and draw all the diagrams here is a link which may explain it. (I don’t agree with some of the personal opinions expressed within the article but he gets the gist of the spine thingy correct)

The one thing he doesn’t explain is the effect of pile (weight) length on the arrow but that’s an easy one.. As the point (BH) gets longer it makes the arrow act slightly weaker.. by making the arrow act longer.. That and the amount of air the blades catch is why a shorter BH will sometimes fly better than a longer one.. especially with the short vanes which are popular today.

http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_..._chapter_3.htm

Thanks Mike

[Blood Trail]

Shoot a stiffer spine or drop your poundage.

Why? He's already a tad over-spined.

[Dusty Britches]

With a 27 inch draw and a 28.5 inch arrow, I personally would check the arrow length - no more than 1" past the rest.

Second, spin your arrows with the field points and with the broadheads. Put a small dot on a cardboard box where the point touches the dot. If it is out of square, you will be able to see it fairly well when you spin it against that dot. It is amazing to me how many broadheads are out of square. But, also use the spinner to verify the inserts are in squarely. It can be a bit out and you won't see it until you spin it.

After you paper tune at 6 feet, broadhead tune and don't worry about the paper after that. Paper tuning is a starting point, not a constant to keep.

But, you can't paper tune if you are using the wrong arrow length and your inserts are not square. Go back to start and cover every step, then move on to the next step.