MLDP Clarification

[KingsX]

I understand that what Your High fence neighbor does will not effect you "I'm not that stupid Yet"lol
I'm talkin about a lease that may be divided between half bow and half rifle hunters looking at the advantages or disadvantages of going to a MLD program. The list of problems and advantages could go on and on here but I'm a die hard bowhunter first "would it affect my chances on killing a trophy in October with gun hunting goin on at the same time"?
I just think if there is goin to be a MLD on leases across the state it should be looked at closely for the true intent and purpose for management goals NOT trophy hunting "Which has No management purposes" but I'm sure it helps Taxidermist out a bit!lol jk jk jk
Who cares lets hunt! If you don't like the situation your in LEAVE right?
I just would like to know that my bowhunting kids can get a deer lease when they grow up and continue this great sport with the same enjoyment I've had.

[Kingfisher]

I beleive that the concept of a landowner's "herd" is the issue here. The "herd" belongs to the State of Texas and all of its citizens. MLDP are just a means of privatizing the deer herd for the benefit of a few. The benefits to all of the other citizens that have "ownership" of the "herd" are nothing.

JMO

[aironeout]

Lots of good info here. Food for thought.
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[mesquitecountry]

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Angelo, Texas/Chasin BIG deer!

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I understand that what Your High fence neighbor does will not effect you "I'm not that stupid Yet"lol
I'm talkin about a lease that may be divided between half bow and half rifle hunters looking at the advantages or disadvantages of going to a MLD program. The list of problems and advantages could go on and on here but I'm a die hard bowhunter first "would it affect my chances on killing a trophy in October with gun hunting goin on at the same time"?
I just think if there is goin to be a MLD on leases across the state it should be looked at closely for the true intent and purpose for management goals NOT trophy hunting "Which has No management purposes" but I'm sure it helps Taxidermist out a bit!lol jk jk jk
Who cares lets hunt! If you don't like the situation your in LEAVE right?
I just would like to know that my bowhunting kids can get a deer lease when they grow up and continue this great sport with the same enjoyment I've had.
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That's why we are all here kings x. the fighting amongst one another over what we feel is best for OUR land is where the problem is. Anti's dont have to do anything we'll self destruct ourselves. You can bet the bottom dollar that my kids will have the opportunity to hunt if they want it. This is america i'm gonna hunt and my families gonna hunt and there aint a dang thing anyone can do about it! We all have the same goal kingsx that's why I dont want to argue. I dont think you were and I dont take anything to offense on here unless someone openly questions my character, name, and pride. A man has got to have his limits!

[qzilla]

I beleive that the concept of a landowner's "herd" is the issue here. The "herd" belongs to the State of Texas and all of its citizens. MLDP are just a means of privatizing the deer herd for the benefit of a few. The benefits to all of the other citizens that have "ownership" of the "herd" are nothing.

JMO

You don't own any land do you?

So what you are saying is that we should all have land and let the "citizens" come take care of the states herd property..........Good Luck.


Oh and once you fence it, you own them.

[jsellers]

Mldp

There are three levels; 1,2,3

Level 1 is for does only and you can start taking deer when archery season opnes with a bow and a rifle in general season. Same for level 2 but it includes does and spike. Level three allows the person to start using a gun in bow season and you can take any deer. Level 3 is really for over populated ranches that have not been managed.

[Philip-TX]

QZILLA wrote:
"Oh and once you fence it, you own them."

Ahhh here is the problem.

Actually once you fence it you (the fencer) have created a management problem, and ask for special (MLPD) regulatory favors from TPWD to address the problems that you chose to create with your high fence.

[JeffJ]

Ahhh here is the problem.

Actually once you fence it you (the fencer) have created a management problem, and ask for special (MLPD) regulatory favors from TPWD to address the problems that you chose to create with your high fence.

Well that seems like a problem you need to take to TPWD.

[cosmiccowboy]

Here we go again.



I'm gonna just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.

[JeffJ]

I cant figure out why so many are getting up in arms about MLD. All else aside, every one of these deer that we are "talking" about were taken well within the regulations set aside by TPWD under the MLD program. If you really want to see a change take it up with TPWD and not members of a chat forum...

[duck or bleed]

I hunt a low fence property that is mld III. We get 22 tags. 10 Buck and 12 doe. We try and fill our doe tags in October and would rather take trophies later in the season but we agree that if the big one steps out he will be shot. People who believe that shooting a trophy buck with a bow in October is different than shooting a trophy in October with a rifle please quit kidding yourself. Dead is dead. I also don't understand why most bowhunters hate rifle hunting. It cracks me up.

It is because a freaking 5 year old can shoot a deer with a rifle! It don't take the same skills to set up in a shooting box and shoot a buck at 200 yards that it takes to set up in a loc-on or pop-up blind and shoot him with a bow! That's the freaking difference! You're right! Dead is dead, but this ain't a game of just killing! It is about skills dude! Is that so hard to understand?

[Kingfisher]

Q, Yes I do own land. And very likely more land than you could hope to. But this is not about who has the bigger ranch.

Your last sentence is the problem that I have with all this. It is pompous attitude that some have that just because they can trap something, they own it. This is also an issue of cronyism. The "leadership" of the TWPD is usually more concerned with benefiting certain individuals financially than they are with Parks and Wildlife that they are supposedly regulating.

If the State wants to change the status of WTD so that that certain individuals can trade them like cattle, then so be it. Make deer into cattle and then take all hunting regulation off. If they are personal property, then why have hunting seasons and bag limits? The deer on your land are your property, so you can do with them as you please any time you please. But until then, WTD are a game animal and belong to the State and the citizens of the State, and will be regulated by the State.

So what you are saying is that we should all have land and let the "citizens" come take care of the states herd property..........Good Luck.

That is an issue of Trespassing, and that and that is another issue. Sorry, no points there.

[cosmiccowboy]

It is because a freaking 5 year old can shoot a deer with a rifle! It don't take the same skills to set up in a shooting box and shoot a buck at 200 yards that it takes to set up in a loc-on or pop-up blind and shoot him with a bow! That's the freaking difference! You're right! Dead is dead, but this ain't a game of just killing! It is about skills dude! Is that so hard to understand?

and the guy that shoots traditional and makes all his own stuff thinks what YOU do doesn't take any skill.

[smokin feathers]

There is more than level III, there is also a 4 and 5 where you shoot deer at night etc. Our place is low fence in ETX and has been on the program for 6 years and what a difference it has made. The total quality and health of the herd has greatly improved with doe weights going up an ave. of 20lbs. We have to have the longer time, especially in jan and feb(when we see the most does to) to take our min. of 150does, prefered 200 does, and 50 bucks. In order to do this you have to have the extra time, sure there are some big deer shot early, but there are more culls and does shot in Oct. than trophy deer. So far this month we have killed 40 deer and only 1 was a trophy deer killed by a teenager, we were hoping to let that 4 1/2yo deer go another year but oh well. Most of our sure enough big deer 145" plus have came in the first of nov or in late dec and jan when the deer get back on a pattern. I hunt trophies during this time. I can also say that our non mld neighbors love us because they are also killing bigger deer than they have ever seen. We have 14,000 acres for those that are curious with only 40 people hunting the place.

[aironeout]

I'll take a Big Red and a box of Milk Duds. Looks like we'll just keep doing it the way that the lawmakers allow us to or until they tell us otherwise.
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