Here comes the "cloud", supposed to reach Cali around midnight, heavy rain forecast for tomorrow and weekend.
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Here's a national map showing the radiation readings where they have monitors in place:
http://radiationnetwork.com/
It's updated every minute...Comment
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AWESOME post Tubby
Radiation is soooo very misunderstood!!!!! I'm a 9 Rem LTDComment
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From Shane's link:
Dispersion models indicate that we should expect dilution by more than a factor of 1000 in the concentration of radiation leaving the Japan reactor site before it might reach the United States.
1/1000 of the level of radioactive material (not rads of exposure but the crap emitting the decay particles) compared to a nuclear plant melting down and exploding throwing the stuff out the top?
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Maybe we could get our fearless,,uhh fearful leader to go over and give the workers a pep talk, for say like a bout 6 months?
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Send the guys standing in front if Home Depot and pay them $100 per hour to work in the hot areas.Comment
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Found out today that it's Potassium Cesium that's what is radioactive. This type of radiation has a half-life of 8 days. It would take someone sleeping in a truck load of this to show ANY ill effects other than the thyroid issue...
now back to your regular scheduled Obama-bashing.... that is all....Comment
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Tubby, I do appreciate the info you posted. I don't known your background or education, so if it's a lot or a little my comment is not meant as an insult. Not to impress, but I have a BS in Biochemistry, a background and worked in industrial hygiene and got out of that field and type of work in part because I was working with radioisotopes at the Rutgers Medical School in a research lab doing protein chemistry. I believe my concerns and fears are based in education and experience. On the other hand, you couldn't get me up in a tree stand 20 up a tree and my son frames houses and enjoys it- he doesn't fear it.
Potassium Cesium is not a compound. This link from Scientific American is a good article and I cut this part out. The point? Nobody knows what will happen, and the govt will not even day where they're putting more monitors, or where and what the readings are from them.
The correlations among total body radiation, ingested or inhaled isotopes and cancer are convoluted at best. The major studies in this field have used event-based samples, such as survivors of the atomic bombs dropped by the U.S. in Japan, to measure and map cancer rates years out.
The clean "linear relationship between your dose of total body radiation and the effect on your health is really lost when you're talking about low-dose radiation at some distance from the source," Helfand said. "You can have a very small total body radiation dose and end up getting thyroid cancer, or ingest some radioactive strontium and end up getting leukemia."
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I think the very common thread is that no one really knows. It is all an educated guess. More times than not, we never know the full extent of the damage til well after the fact. There has never been a government that has told the full story as it happens (There were many countries at the time and since that did not believe the Holocaust was happening or happened). We all deal with a certain amount of radiation every day. The type and exposure is the concern. I feel for the workers in the plants there that made the decision, whether voluntarily or forced to be there doing all they can to lessen the effect. All along knowing they will most likely die sooner than later. The chances of us, here on the mainland US of dying from results of this, is more likely something else will take us far sooner, an accident, a cancer already hidden undiscovered in our body, a crime, some other disease, etc.
If I lived in Japan, in Tokyo, I'd be headed elsewhere. The beach in the Caribbean sounds good right now!!!!!
Heck that sounds good anytime of the year. Except hurricane season!!!!!Comment
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Bill,
No insult taken at all sir. Thank you for the information you posted.
I work with radioisotopes. I got my schooling thru W.H. Henken in Arlington, TX. in 1992. 40 hour safety school before being able to work in the Industrial Radiography field. Yes, you have a lot more schooling than I've ever thought of having, my hat's off to you sir.
The info I've been trying to post has just put the numbers in perspective as to what's being detected and what's the maximum limits vs. what's "deadly". NONE of it is taking into consideration for the airborne radiation. That's an entirely different animal. Depending on what's airborne determines how it's treated. An 8 day half life vs. 24,000 years half-life is a little different box of crayons... None of the reports I've looked at pin-points EXACTLY what type of radiation it is that's floating across the Pacific Ocean. What I do know is that very minimal trace amounts were detected on the west coast this morning. ALL reports I've seen and heard state that there was no risk.
I heard Potassium Cesium on FOX news radio today and thought I would pass on that information. Seems that FOX can't even get their facts straight. ALL of the information coming out of Japan has been misleading.
However, some are still freaking out thinking their skin is going to melt off and that they need to pop iodine pills every 12 hours... The media is great ain't it?
This is from the same link Bill...
Clanton, however, maintains that a person would have to inhale or ingest "a reasonably large amount" of radioactive isotopes to see negative effects. "It would take more than I've seen published from the area."
People in the U.S. purchasing prophylactic potassium iodine pills (which saturate the thyroid with regular iodine in hopes of preventing the uptake of radioactive iodine 131 isotopes) "are wasting their money," Clanton says.
Winds of concern
No matter how much radioactive material is released, the worrisome isotopes from the Fukushima Daiichi facility are not particularly likely to follow a Chernobyl-scale distribution, Clanton notes. Even if the fuel temperatures fail to drop significantly, it is unlikely to produce the type of catastrophic explosion that launched so much radioactive material into the atmosphere over Chernobyl 25 years ago. The material at Fukushima also lacks the graphite bars that were elemental in dispersing the isotopes from the Chernobyl explosion.Comment
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We don't know. How do individuals, organizations or companies make decisions with less than perfect information? I got a masters dealing with that topic.
Looking back 30+ years of my life, I wish I'd gone into the viticulture and wine industry when the opportunity presented itself, and I might be making and sipping wine, and killing pigs in the vineyards. But I am sipping wine and killing pigs in vineyards today, anyway.
Be safe, hunt hard, let the people you love know it because life's too short.Comment
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I know 1 thing-There is some very Smart people on this site.I found some of my personal questions answered in this thread.Thanks again GreenScreen..
God Bless/Help Japan!Comment
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tubby is the man!!!! big thank you! for all you have told us.. it help a old school like meComment
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