Crossbow qual VS trad and cmpnd qual???!!!

[jbitt4x4]

No one lost anything. It was made harder. The problem is self entitlement. Everyone thinks they are entitled to something they have always had obtained easily. When someone has something down graded or changed from the "norm" we whine and complain how someone else has it so easy, when we were the one's that were/still are riding that same train!

I could go into a long philosophical soap box, but to sum it up easily, it is the wussification of the American people and our need for more hand outs that is the problem.

There is no balance to be obtained by pointing fingers, if people want balance they should do gymnastics, hunting is 50% hard work/determination, 30% skill, 20% luck.

FTR, a scoring system is the most idiotic means of deciding who gets to hunt public land if I have ever seen one.

Actually, it wasn't made harder, it was made easier by letting the x-bow hunters use a rest...how about allowing a compound hunter use a drawlock then?? Is that any different really?

I agree with ya on the scoring system though, it is pretty rediculous

[No-Walkin STX Hank]

James you know how much I practice. And how much I have improved in the last few months. I shoot every day with both my X-bow and my Diamond. And yes I might shoot 30 or 60 arrows with the bow but I am only doing 2 or 3 with the x-bow. As I showed Dave today just cocking that x-bow the most slights little bit to the right or left will throw off the bolt considerably. Practicing shooting with a x-bow is just half of it you have to practice cocking it and holding it being on a rest or free hand. And to be a 100 @ honest if the string is cocked straight I don’t see any difference in my shoots with or without a rest.

[jbitt4x4]

James you know how much I practice. And how much I have improved in the last few months. I shoot every day with both my X-bow and my Diamond. And yes I might shoot 30 or 60 arrows with the bow but I am only doing 2 or 3 with the x-bow. As I showed Dave today just cocking that x-bow the most slights little bit to the right or left will throw off the bolt considerably. Practicing shooting with a x-bow is just half of it you have to practice cocking it and holding it being on a rest or free hand. And to be a 100 @ honest if the string is cocked straight I don’t see any difference in my shoots with or without a rest.

Not knocking you for using one brother...but anyone without a disablility should not be able to use a rest or sticks....that's like using a draw-lock for a compound.

[XgunArcherMan]

Loved reading all of the responses. Good points made by few; weak points made by others. All entertaining.

First of all, from what I could tell in the year that I have been practicing with my crossgun, crossguns do not strike their victims dead in their tracks like the hammer of Thor as popularly believed. The crossgun that I have shoots a twenty inch bolt at a velocity of approximately 268 feet per second; my 15 year old wheelie bowgun shoots about 228 feet per second. Of course I could put a hundred yard pin on my crossgun, but due to the poor trajectory of the crossgun my bolts would be taking dirt naps at about 50 or so yards I would venture to say. After about twenty-five yards, I don't have any confidence in the crossgun. I practiced at forty yards with my wheelie bowgun, and can hit a 3-D deer target in the vitals with boring regularity. Does that mean that I think my bow has the energy to penetrate a deer sufficiently at that distance so I don't have to track it with buzzards three days after my shot?...of course not. The point is that you must know your weapon, and its limitations if you want to become a better hunter.

Secondly, this business about shooting a crossgun to qualify, and then hunting with a wheelie bowgun doesn't have legs. The COE told me that you must hunt with the weapon with which you qualify. Good luck hunting with a wheelie bowgun when your only qualified to hunt with a crossgun.

Thirdly, I think people should lose this high falutin presumption that crossgun hunters are somehow lesser beings. I have been shooting archery since I was about six years old. I started bowhunting with a small Powerline bow when I was about twelve. When I was in seventh grade, I bought the Powerline bow that I still use to this day. When I started bowhunting, my Godfather had a Hoyt bow that I thought was as good as it got. Every accessory that you could ever want (so I thought) was on it. I asked my dad, "Why can't I have sights on my bow, too". He told me that it was cheating, and the purpose was to hunt and be good at it, not just to kill. Now, fast forward about sixteen years, and we see fiber optic sights, string dampeners, releases, integrated limb vibration dampeners, arrow rest that fall out of the way, tubing to perfectly align the peep sight, string stops, string kissers, string loops (to protect the riser and make shooting consistently easier), eighty-five percent let-off, carbon arrows that are straight to .001", illuminated nocks, and special cams so that we now have bows that are IBO rated to shoot 35O feet per second laser beam shots so that we only have to focus on having one pin from zero yards to infinity. (I have four pins, and have to use all of them with equal enthusiasm) And what do I hear from the men who have these weapons of mass destruction?...Yeah, that's right. I am cheating because my string is mechanically held to the rear by something other than my fingers or a release before I shoot. Just like my Godfather was cheating because he knew exactly where is arrows were going to hit after he released the string. Yeah, I have seen the light now. Lord, I apologize. I'm going to go melt the aluminum riser of my Horton Huntermax 15O right now, and give the ingots to them starving pygmies down there in New Guinea.

This whole idea of being too good to hunt with a crossgun is ridiculous, and acting like it is more noble to fail with a wheelie bowgun rather than succeed with a crossgun is stupid. When I go to a competition and sweat down my underwear, and watch my wife almost drop from heat exhaustion, I am going to win, or die trying. Point blank. If that means throwing a spear with an atlatl rather than using only my arm, count me in. If they allow hand grenades next year, you better bring ear muffs and a bunker to the party.

Another thing, whose business is it whether I use a rest or not to support my crossgun? When you draw a wheelie bowgun back, you are supporting the rearward movement of the wheelie bowgun with your out-stretched supporting arm. If you didn't, your accuracy would be thrown off and you would never be able to pass qualification unless you shoot a bow that has a lighter draw weight than your thumb could support. So then, why is it suddenly evil if I support the downward movement of the crossgun to improve my accuracy? I think anyone who is still tied up in knots about how I shoot my crossgun should try to draw back his wheelie bowgun a few times and suddenly bend his elbow bent and see what happens. A couple of whacks across the head bone will solidly make my point and hopefully bring an end to this issue. (Another thing, it doesn't take much skill to lock and rotate your elbow to support a three and a half pound wheelie bowgun with a seventy pound draw and eighty-five percent let-off, so I don't want to hear it. What are you holding ten and a half pounds? Yeah, I'm not clearing off my side of the bed so that I can be replaced by a real man for that. Sorry, not buying it.)

And what is the problem with having to score and prove yourself in order to qualify to hunt on COE land? Would you rather flip a coin, have a random drawing, or spin around a Louisville Slugger and race to the far end of the parking lot; The men and women who don't veer off course, and drown in the lake qualify to hunt? Even then we would probably have people complaining about the shoes the other competitors were wearing and how its not fair they have to race against someone with laced shoes when they came to the race only wearing slip-on house shoes. I don't get it. We should be honored to have the opportunity to hunt on COE land, and we should thank God the tree huggers aren't tying themselves to the bottom rung of our tree stands chanting we will overcome or tainting our feeders with organic corn. Instead, we get caught up in minutia, and worry that someone might take our spot. How about the fact that I bought the same permits and have jumped through the same hoops as a wheelie bowgun shooter, and that maybe I don't want his foul corpse stinking up my spot. The road runs both ways, and it can't always be running against me.

My wife, cousin, and his son-in-law, and I were at the practicing range at around eleven this morning. We stayed until after three-thirty. The other guy who was practicing with his crossgun also qualified with a wheelie bowgun. He could probably out shoot me with either after swilling a few beers and closing both eyes any day of the week. When I stated out loud that crossguns were cheating, he looked up at me like he was going to break off my head and do an endzone dance. (Until he saw that I was shooting a crossgun too using a beautiful yellow saw horse as a rest) Pretty funny. I came up with that joke after everyone I saw in the parking lot looked at me with my crossgun in my hand like I was walking around with black lab puppy dangling on the end of a spear. Get over yourselves; I'm playing to win.

After I shot a few stations to qualify with my wheelie bowgun, the ranger asked me, "Why did you need to qualify with a crossgun?" I told him that in order for my wife to be allowed to sit in the stand with me, she had to qualify, and that I was going through all of this trouble for her. I must say that I'm pretty disappointed in how the bowgunners out there looked at my wife trying to qualify to hunt with me. If they had the sense God gave a lemon, they would only see that having more women in our sport only benefits the group, but oh well, we didn't let that bother us. Our scores were 88, 96, 94, and 98. I scored a 92 with my wheelie bowgun just for kicks and to drive home the point that I am not a victim or disabled, and will by-God use any tool or angle to win. My cousin believes that having a group of wheelie bowgun hunters laugh at him when he shot a bolt clear off the target in the practice range made him settle down and shoot a 98 out of spite. (He thanks those men for that, by the way).

I told my wife yesterday morning before qualifying that we would be ridiculed on the internet by the end of the day, and I must say that I was completely correct. Thanks River (you have helped me prove to my wife that I am right more often than not) (Not that you really ridiculed me, but now we are famous) Thank God she didn't allow that to mess up her shooting. Thank goodness for metal saw horses and lawn chairs.

Next year, I fully plan to sign up to qualify with my crossgun, my wheelie bowgun, and my glorious and oh so holy long bow. For sights on the long bow, I am going to tape a segment of styrofoam to the front of the limb, and use pushpins for sights. You better bring your A game, or by God and Horton, I'll make you sit out another season. No whining or excuses. No holier that thou art threads on the internet. Only fifty-five gallon drums of awesomeness are allowed to be poured out in this test of wills. A little tip: Just worry about looking at your own sights from now on, and don't worry about mine. (...or I will put another ugly W in my win column)

Sorry this thread is so long, but genius on the level of this only enters my life every other day or so.

Have a good night, and no hard feelings here. Happy hunting.

[tinman]

Secondly, this business about shooting a crossgun to qualify, and then hunting with a wheelie bowgun doesn't have legs. The COE told me that you must hunt with the weapon with which you qualify. Good luck hunting with a wheelie bowgun when your only qualified to hunt with a crossgun.

...not looking for a fight (believe it or not) but, this is the only problem I have with your entire post. The xbow has an advantage in this process and is displacing bowhunter opportunity. You seem to be proud of displacing bowhunters?

How many trad-bowhunters qualified for a spot this year?

How many compound hunters?

How many xbow hunters?

Can we compare these numbers to previuous years?

These are numbers that I'd be interested in seeing...are we really creating "new hunter opportunity" or just diminishing bowhuntner opportunity here?

[TXJon]

I showed up late around 11:00 am. I saw 3 crossbows at least shooting at the practice target at the same time. Maybe it was a fluke.. I do not think near as many crossbows showed up as expected. Still not right IMO. The point is..someone may have been knocked off..I do not know how many crossbows qualified, if any at all, but I think thats the point.

Didn't you start by saying the X bows were displacing compound shooters?

I guess I just don't really see it as a problem. Not many X bow shooters at the qualifier, and not many of them passed?

And if 2 out of 3 failed last year..I think that proves the point about people not liking crossbows because users (not all) of them treat them too much like a gun, do not practice enough, and may be over confident

My limited experience supports this. I saw one X bow hunter last year. He told me he had double lunged a doe, she went 500 yds without a drop of blood on the ground. That convinced him that lung shots were a waste of time, and "from now on, I'm only taking neck shots. I have a crossbow, so I can do that."

What if you had a bad day and scored an 84..and the cutoff this year was 86 due to a few extra crossbows?

Not to be a smart azz, but practice to the point where on a bad day you shoot a 94, and you'll be fine.

Guys shooting stick bows have an equally valid argument against compounds. It's a completely arbitrary distinction, and where anyone chooses to draw their own line is really a personal decision.

FWIW I shoot a compound, and have no interest in X bows or stick bows, but I could not care less what anyone else shoots. I might buy my oldest son a X bow next year, just to try to get him away from the rifle.

[TXJon]

...not looking for a fight (believe it or not) but, this is the only problem I have with your entire post. The xbow has an advantage in this process and is displacing bowhunter opportunity. You seem to be proud of displacing bowhunters?

How many trad-bowhunters qualified for a spot this year?

How many compound hunters?

How many xbow hunters?

Can we compare these numbers to previuous years?

These are numbers that I'd be interested in seeing...are we really creating "new hunter opportunity" or just diminishing bowhuntner opportunity here?

If they issue the same number of permits every year, they are not ever really creating any new opportunity.

I shoot pretty well. I displace at least one guy who doesn't shoot as well every year. I am diminishing new hunter opportunity too.

If you are looking to see how many shooters are being displaced by X bows, wouldn't you want to see how many shooters failed, rather than those who qualified? Are the average scores going up, down, or stable? Are the guys shooting X bows people who are new to "bow" hunting, or guys who can't handle a "real" bow, or something completely different?

[BigL]

I don't see what the problem is. The shoot is only 25 yards or less. If you have to blame your equipment, go get new equipment or practice more.

I'll shoot against a x-bow shooter anyday. Not saying I will win but saying that with my bow I should be confident enough to hit the 10 ring every shot at 25 yards. Before kids when I shot almost daily and entered 3D competitions almost every weekend, I expected to be in the 10 ring every shot no matter what the distance I was shooting from. If it was known distance, not a problem. My problem was the unknown distance and estimating yardage.

[XgunArcherMan]

I don't know how to use the quote function yet, so this may be disjointed (I don't know if I am supposed delete the segment of the other person's post that I don't want to quote, or where I am supposed to type after doing so; still new to all of this)

TinMan: The quote that you were referring to didn't have anything to do with displacing hunters. Earlier threads had people talking about qualifying with a crossbow only, and then hunting with a compound. I was just saying that was not allowed by the COE.

With that in mind, I don't consider crossbow hunters to be out of the bowhunting fraternity, so one type of bowhunter displacing another type doesn't enter my mind.

TxJon: If you are looking for a crossbow for your son, last year's Wicked Ridge model is very good. (head to head comparison with Excaliber done by Petersen's magazine, I think) Huge price difference between the bows. Wicked Ridge was deemed more accurate, even when the bolts of the Wicked Ridge were damaged in the competition. The Wicked is cheaper than the Excaliber, and was on sale at Bass Pro when the new model came out. It's lighter and faster than my Horton. Good construction (Solid stock/riser), good balance, easy to use, and fun to shoot (I shot my cousin's while practicing for the qualifications. All around a good pick.

Have a good day.

[XgunArcherMan]

Also TinMan: If you are looking for stats, I would think the COE would have all that information on hand. It may be as easy as contacting the COE, and asking. I don't see why that information would be restricted. That would probably assuage people's concerns with the crossbow hunters taking part in the qualifications.

[Speedgoat]

Thank you all for your replys. I am all about hunter opportunity and whole heartedly agree to let them in regardless of rest, or speed, or optics. All hunters are equal in their creation, but not their devotion or dedication to the sport. If you are dedicated to practice with any weapon, then you get my vote. Lots of animals to kill out there for everyone to be involved. So, with that said, I have now been enlightened by this forum and have changed my opinion. Thank you.

[jbitt4x4]

Just so you know, there are MANY of women on here that do hunt...my wife being one...with a compound...not a crossbow...to each his own..but in comparison if you can use a rest for your x-bow, then I should be able to use a draw lock for my compound...I mean you don't hold your string back do you??

Loved reading all of the responses. Good points made by few; weak points made by others. All entertaining.

First of all, from what I could tell in the year that I have been practicing with my crossgun, crossguns do not strike their victims dead in their tracks like the hammer of Thor as popularly believed. The crossgun that I have shoots a twenty inch bolt at a velocity of approximately 268 feet per second; my 15 year old wheelie bowgun shoots about 228 feet per second. Of course I could put a hundred yard pin on my crossgun, but due to the poor trajectory of the crossgun my bolts would be taking dirt naps at about 50 or so yards I would venture to say. After about twenty-five yards, I don't have any confidence in the crossgun. I practiced at forty yards with my wheelie bowgun, and can hit a 3-D deer target in the vitals with boring regularity. Does that mean that I think my bow has the energy to penetrate a deer sufficiently at that distance so I don't have to track it with buzzards three days after my shot?...of course not. The point is that you must know your weapon, and its limitations if you want to become a better hunter.

Secondly, this business about shooting a crossgun to qualify, and then hunting with a wheelie bowgun doesn't have legs. The COE told me that you must hunt with the weapon with which you qualify. Good luck hunting with a wheelie bowgun when your only qualified to hunt with a crossgun.

Thirdly, I think people should lose this high falutin presumption that crossgun hunters are somehow lesser beings. I have been shooting archery since I was about six years old. I started bowhunting with a small Powerline bow when I was about twelve. When I was in seventh grade, I bought the Powerline bow that I still use to this day. When I started bowhunting, my Godfather had a Hoyt bow that I thought was as good as it got. Every accessory that you could ever want (so I thought) was on it. I asked my dad, "Why can't I have sights on my bow, too". He told me that it was cheating, and the purpose was to hunt and be good at it, not just to kill. Now, fast forward about sixteen years, and we see fiber optic sights, string dampeners, releases, integrated limb vibration dampeners, arrow rest that fall out of the way, tubing to perfectly align the peep sight, string stops, string kissers, string loops (to protect the riser and make shooting consistently easier), eighty-five percent let-off, carbon arrows that are straight to .001", illuminated nocks, and special cams so that we now have bows that are IBO rated to shoot 35O feet per second laser beam shots so that we only have to focus on having one pin from zero yards to infinity. (I have four pins, and have to use all of them with equal enthusiasm) And what do I hear from the men who have these weapons of mass destruction?...Yeah, that's right. I am cheating because my string is mechanically held to the rear by something other than my fingers or a release before I shoot. Just like my Godfather was cheating because he knew exactly where is arrows were going to hit after he released the string. Yeah, I have seen the light now. Lord, I apologize. I'm going to go melt the aluminum riser of my Horton Huntermax 15O right now, and give the ingots to them starving pygmies down there in New Guinea.

This whole idea of being too good to hunt with a crossgun is ridiculous, and acting like it is more noble to fail with a wheelie bowgun rather than succeed with a crossgun is stupid. When I go to a competition and sweat down my underwear, and watch my wife almost drop from heat exhaustion, I am going to win, or die trying. Point blank. If that means throwing a spear with an atlatl rather than using only my arm, count me in. If they allow hand grenades next year, you better bring ear muffs and a bunker to the party.

Another thing, whose business is it whether I use a rest or not to support my crossgun? When you draw a wheelie bowgun back, you are supporting the rearward movement of the wheelie bowgun with your out-stretched supporting arm. If you didn't, your accuracy would be thrown off and you would never be able to pass qualification unless you shoot a bow that has a lighter draw weight than your thumb could support. So then, why is it suddenly evil if I support the downward movement of the crossgun to improve my accuracy? I think anyone who is still tied up in knots about how I shoot my crossgun should try to draw back his wheelie bowgun a few times and suddenly bend his elbow bent and see what happens. A couple of whacks across the head bone will solidly make my point and hopefully bring an end to this issue. (Another thing, it doesn't take much skill to lock and rotate your elbow to support a three and a half pound wheelie bowgun with a seventy pound draw and eighty-five percent let-off, so I don't want to hear it. What are you holding ten and a half pounds? Yeah, I'm not clearing off my side of the bed so that I can be replaced by a real man for that. Sorry, not buying it.)

And what is the problem with having to score and prove yourself in order to qualify to hunt on COE land? Would you rather flip a coin, have a random drawing, or spin around a Louisville Slugger and race to the far end of the parking lot; The men and women who don't veer off course, and drown in the lake qualify to hunt? Even then we would probably have people complaining about the shoes the other competitors were wearing and how its not fair they have to race against someone with laced shoes when they came to the race only wearing slip-on house shoes. I don't get it. We should be honored to have the opportunity to hunt on COE land, and we should thank God the tree huggers aren't tying themselves to the bottom rung of our tree stands chanting we will overcome or tainting our feeders with organic corn. Instead, we get caught up in minutia, and worry that someone might take our spot. How about the fact that I bought the same permits and have jumped through the same hoops as a wheelie bowgun shooter, and that maybe I don't want his foul corpse stinking up my spot. The road runs both ways, and it can't always be running against me.

My wife, cousin, and his son-in-law, and I were at the practicing range at around eleven this morning. We stayed until after three-thirty. The other guy who was practicing with his crossgun also qualified with a wheelie bowgun. He could probably out shoot me with either after swilling a few beers and closing both eyes any day of the week. When I stated out loud that crossguns were cheating, he looked up at me like he was going to break off my head and do an endzone dance. (Until he saw that I was shooting a crossgun too using a beautiful yellow saw horse as a rest) Pretty funny. I came up with that joke after everyone I saw in the parking lot looked at me with my crossgun in my hand like I was walking around with black lab puppy dangling on the end of a spear. Get over yourselves; I'm playing to win.

After I shot a few stations to qualify with my wheelie bowgun, the ranger asked me, "Why did you need to qualify with a crossgun?" I told him that in order for my wife to be allowed to sit in the stand with me, she had to qualify, and that I was going through all of this trouble for her. I must say that I'm pretty disappointed in how the bowgunners out there looked at my wife trying to qualify to hunt with me. If they had the sense God gave a lemon, they would only see that having more women in our sport only benefits the group, but oh well, we didn't let that bother us. Our scores were 88, 96, 94, and 98. I scored a 92 with my wheelie bowgun just for kicks and to drive home the point that I am not a victim or disabled, and will by-God use any tool or angle to win. My cousin believes that having a group of wheelie bowgun hunters laugh at him when he shot a bolt clear off the target in the practice range made him settle down and shoot a 98 out of spite. (He thanks those men for that, by the way).

I told my wife yesterday morning before qualifying that we would be ridiculed on the internet by the end of the day, and I must say that I was completely correct. Thanks River (you have helped me prove to my wife that I am right more often than not) (Not that you really ridiculed me, but now we are famous) Thank God she didn't allow that to mess up her shooting. Thank goodness for metal saw horses and lawn chairs.

Next year, I fully plan to sign up to qualify with my crossgun, my wheelie bowgun, and my glorious and oh so holy long bow. For sights on the long bow, I am going to tape a segment of styrofoam to the front of the limb, and use pushpins for sights. You better bring your A game, or by God and Horton, I'll make you sit out another season. No whining or excuses. No holier that thou art threads on the internet. Only fifty-five gallon drums of awesomeness are allowed to be poured out in this test of wills. A little tip: Just worry about looking at your own sights from now on, and don't worry about mine. (...or I will put another ugly W in my win column)

Sorry this thread is so long, but genius on the level of this only enters my life every other day or so.

Have a good night, and no hard feelings here. Happy hunting.

[Stonecreek]

I’m sure I qualified at Georgetown with a 98 using my crossbow. Does that offend you? I don't see why it should. The state of Texas changed the rules not Lake Georgetown. Terry made the most important statement on the issue, "we are one bad shot away from a PR mess that would do away with the entire program." Because I do not think that there are enough public hunting opportunities in Texas I would hate to see that happen.

Additionally, I would prefer a novice to take up a crossbow and experience the joys of archery hunting (possibly qualifying at Lake Georgetown) and be part of our hunting family, enjoying what it is that we love. Wait are novices also to be excluded from Georgetown because they may bump out a veteran hunter? For that matter should only the hunters who qualified last year be given the test first to see if they qualify and all remaining spots be up for grabs?

Most of the rest of the nation takes exception with the notion of hunting over feed. Many of the people in this discussion will be putting out a feeder the first word that they get that they have qualified. Do you concern yourselves with what the “archery purists” in other states who would turn their noses up at you think?

I believe that there are too many non-hunters trying to do away with the sport that we love that attempting to make others feel less significant because of some sense of superiority is not only wrong but stupid. And yes, I said some sense of superiority, not all of them, but read some of the posts above and you’ll understand what I’m saying.

I’m for hunting. I try to get everyone I meet excited about hunting. I never attempt to minimize or run down anyone’s attempts or accomplishments when it comes to hunting. The hunting opportunities at Lake Georgetown are open to all hunters who abide by the rules and qualify. Before you answer, yes Snipehunter I understand the question and I do believe crossbow hunters should be allowed to use a rest during qualifications just as compound bow hunters are allowed to use stabilizers, trigger releases, 80% let offs and all of the other technological advancements that buying a $1000.00 bow come with. Longbow traditionalists, I’m sorry, nothing I can say to help you. Much admiration, your in a class of your own.

[Speedgoat]

I’m sure I qualified at Georgetown with a 98 using my crossbow. Does that offend you? I don't see why it should. The state of Texas changed the rules not Lake Georgetown. Terry made the most important statement on the issue, "we are one bad shot away from a PR mess that would do away with the entire program." Because I do not think that there are enough public hunting opportunities in Texas I would hate to see that happen.

Additionally, I would prefer a novice to take up a crossbow and experience the joys of archery hunting (possibly qualifying at Lake Georgetown) and be part of our hunting family, enjoying what it is that we love. Wait are novices also to be excluded from Georgetown because they may bump out a veteran hunter? For that matter should only the hunters who qualified last year be given the test first to see if they qualify and all remaining spots be up for grabs?

Most of the rest of the nation takes exception with the notion of hunting over feed. Many of the people in this discussion will be putting out a feeder the first word that they get that they have qualified. Do you concern yourselves with what the “archery purists” in other states who would turn their noses up at you think?

I believe that there are too many non-hunters trying to do away with the sport that we love that attempting to make others feel less significant because of some sense of superiority is not only wrong but stupid. And yes, I said some sense of superiority, not all of them, but read some of the posts above and you’ll understand what I’m saying.

I’m for hunting. I try to get everyone I meet excited about hunting. I never attempt to minimize or run down anyone’s attempts or accomplishments when it comes to hunting. The hunting opportunities at Lake Georgetown are open to all hunters who abide by the rules and qualify. Before you answer, yes Snipehunter I understand the question and I do believe crossbow hunters should be allowed to use a rest during qualifications just as compound bow hunters are allowed to use stabilizers, trigger releases, 80% let offs and all of the other technological advancements that buying a $1000.00 bow come with. Longbow traditionalists, I’m sorry, nothing I can say to help you. Much admiration, your in a class of your own.

Thank you for your reply sir. Read up a little at my last post.

[jbitt4x4]

Thank you for your reply sir. Read up a little at my last post.

Wow Matt, you have started a recruitment for TBH.....some of these guys joined to just reply to your post...heck that is their only post...Mary should put you on Staff