Another "You make the Call" Baseball related question

[junior]

Yall let me know what the "right" call should be in this situation.
Batter hits a ground ball to the pitcher. Pitcher fields the ball, throws it to the first baseman. First baseman is stretched out, one foot on the base and catches the ball cleanly. The batter/runner is just getting to the base(about two/three steps after the first baseman has caught the ball. Mean while first baseman comes off the base, turns and tags the runner as he is crossing first base, and looses control of the ball.
Is the runner out (force out at 1st base), or is the runner safe since the first baseman tried to tag the runner after the fact of catching the ball while keeping his foot in contact with the base, and keeping control of the ball; and then loosing the ball on the tag out?

[temple droptine]

The runner is out from a force. Nothing more nothing less. Unless a runner score from the loss of the ball, and then it could be scored as an E3.

-crb

[DeadlyDiamondShooter]

Its a force out should be out!Why did he try to tag him out even though he had already caught the ball for he force!

[DamonJ]

Should be an out.... If he was in contact with the bag when he caught the ball...

[MKD45]

The runner is out because of the force. BUT, the first baseman shouldn't try to tag because if the umpire isn't watching closely enough he will assume the foot was never on the bag and that's he went for the tag. There are things in baseball where umpires make calls on how things look, and not how they actually are.

[temple droptine]

The runner is out because of the force. BUT, the first baseman shouldn't try to tag because if the umpire isn't watching closely enough he will assume the foot was never on the bag and that's he went for the tag. There are things in baseball where umpires make calls on how things look, and not how they actually are.

I agree with your statement completely as a coaches and players perspective, I have been/am both. But I am also and umpire, and I would flame my partner for looking too far into it that way. The code of ethics in umpiring is "Call what you see".

-crb

[MKD45]

I agree with your statement completely as a coaches and players perspective, I have been/am both. But I am also and umpire, and I would flame my partner for looking too far into it that way. The code of ethics in umpiring is "Call what you see".

-crb

Unfortunately I got hosed all the time with it this year. I'm a pitcher, and our catcher didn't frame pitches worth a crap. In fact, sometimes he would take a strike out of the zone and it would end up being called a ball. Another place where people get upset is if a runner is trying to advance to the next base, and the throw beats them by a mile. The runner may somehow avoid the tag, but he won't ever get that call because he looks out. It seems to be more that way the higher the level is.

[temple droptine]

Unfortunately I got hosed all the time with it this year. I'm a pitcher, and our catcher didn't frame pitches worth a crap. In fact, sometimes he would take a strike out of the zone and it would end up being called a ball. Another place where people get upset is if a runner is trying to advance to the next base, and the throw beats them by a mile. The runner may somehow avoid the tag, but he won't ever get that call because he looks out. It seems to be more that way the higher the level is.

Agreed, as a former catcher myself, I would have expected my pitchers to kick my tail if I did not frame the pitch for them "in the zone". As far as the runners advancing on steals or stretching hits, I also agree many umpires call what they should see, not what they do see. I will never argue a ball or strike, but I will come and talk (as a coach) in an orderly manner if they are not in posistion to make a call, or if they call what it should be, not what it is.

cb

[TX_Kevin]

Last night at my 10 year old nephew's game there was a runner on first with no outs. A ground ball is hit to the 2nd baseman, fielded and flipped to the short stop covering 2nd base. The short stop steps on 2nd, and then tags the runner.

Is he "outer" once he's tagged?

[DJM]

Is he "outer" once he's tagged?

I think the term you're looking for is "more out".

DJ

[Nate Riley]

The runner is out from a force. Nothing more nothing less. Unless a runner score from the loss of the ball, and then it could be scored as an E3.

-crb

Exactly. He was already out.

Its a force out should be out!Why did he try to tag him out even though he had already caught the ball for he force!

Last night at my 10 year old nephew's game there was a runner on first with no outs. A ground ball is hit to the 2nd baseman, fielded and flipped to the short stop covering 2nd base. The short stop steps on 2nd, and then tags the runner.

Is he "outer" once he's tagged?

Because they are kids and that's what kids do. Half the fun of watching little ones play is this kind of stuff.

Unfortunately I got hosed all the time with it this year. I'm a pitcher, and our catcher didn't frame pitches worth a crap. In fact, sometimes he would take a strike out of the zone and it would end up being called a ball. Another place where people get upset is if a runner is trying to advance to the next base, and the throw beats them by a mile. The runner may somehow avoid the tag, but he won't ever get that call because he looks out. It seems to be more that way the higher the level is.

Need new catcher!!!

[MKD45]

Need new catcher!!![/QUOTE]

Haha yeah that would've been nice

[OrangeBlood]

actually your all wrong, the runner is safe...1st baseman has to control the ball throughout the play...

It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball.

[Nate Riley]

actually your all wrong, the runner is safe...1st baseman has to control the ball throughout the play...

It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball.

No. In the play described by the original poster, he was already out.

You're right if there is a collision or if he dropped it making "the play".

In this case, "the play" was over.

[texan16]

Sounds to me like you need to fire your infielders coach--oh wait thats you. Come little bro' teach your kids how to play the game. How's Shuck's team doing, yall lost anymore teeth lately?