"OUTRAGEOUS"? Tell me what you think.

[crunchtime]

OK, It's my turn to complain. It seems that according to the timber company rep that I spoke with today that any and all available leases (by this particular company) will be at $7.00 per acre and up from here on out. I happen to have quite a few oak flats on my lease and consider myself lucky to have them but for most leases I think this is way to much. 80% to 90% is pine farms, and barely any squirrels to watch. Overcrowded, brown and down leases seem to be the norm. I wonder why? (you can't afford enough land per member to manage the herd properly)

When and how could we ever do anything about this?
I know it's virtually impossible but what if most of the leases said they weren't going to renew there leases until a price agreement was made by all in that particular county. Seems that they would be out alot of revenue if the leases just sat for a year. Sooner or later we should take a stand somehow.
Sorry for the long read but we are headed for $1000 per year pretty fast and some are probably already there.

What's a fair price for ET in your opinion and how many acres per person do you have on your lease?
How many members on your lease took a 13 inch buck and how many members are on the lease all together?

[bwssr]

I paid about $3 per a few years back, in your area....

[EdO]

Fair price is whatever the market will bear. Just like anything else. They set a price and if people are willing to pay it. It's fair. If they ain't willing to pay, they'll either lower the price or take it off the market.

[Sean]

7 bucks an acre is CHEAP.

Sorry just saw where you are at, I have no knowledge of pricing in East Texas. I know around Brown Co. A lot of guys are paying twice that and maybe some more.

[JeffJ]

100% spot on. Such is life. Someone has a good or service available for consumption thus they also have the ability to set the price where they like. I doubt they will have a problem signing folks up...but, if they do they will either lower the price or not lease the property.

And you asked what you could do about it. Pretty much nothing you can do short of starting a revolt.

Fair price is whatever the market will bear. Just like anything else. They set a price and if people are willing to pay it. It's fair. If they ain't willing to pay, they'll either lower the price or take it off the market.

[HOYTPRO2001]

I pay that for cattle lease and would pay twice that for deer lease included and make my money back from the deer hunters. Its just a fact and going rate is set buy the hunters not the landowners. Several landowners have changed leasees for the money factor alone and once they go up and get it they will never go back down. I know one man that leases 60 acers of pecan trees on the river for $5000 per year but usually don't get a taker till 1st of Nov. but he still does it every year.

[txtimetravler]

pay to play.

Why don't you try to buy a place in ET with your hunitng buddies?

[zanemanaggie]

hey i have an idea let's not be a capitalist and rape those that have by rising up against them, that way we can really stick it to them... what should we call this... oh i've got it a "united group effort" hope the name isn't to long maybe someone can shorten it for me.

[BTLowry]

About the only thing you can do is buy your own place, otherwise you are at the mercy of the land owners.

And if you think you will just get everybody to sit out one year you better think again, someone out there will be willing to pay

[Mike]

I pay that for cattle lease and would pay twice that for deer lease included and make my money back from the deer hunters.

You might be able to do that in Central Texas but it is really hard to run cattle in a swamp. Most all this land South of say Jasper/Chester is covered in water with no sustaninable forage for cattle. It is Pine thickets and swamps for the most part.

And if you think you will just get everybody to sit out one year you better think again, someone out there will be willing to pay

Sadly this is the case down here and I personally know of 2 divorces along with another that I do not know the guy over this exact topic. Guys thought they were doing a good thing by "securing the lease" for everyone and drained their savings and were not able to sell the lease spots to members. The Timber companies got their money this year but I am doubting they have good $$ coming in for 2010 leases here in East Texas.

There are a few places up near the lakes that are high $$, from $850-1,100 a year and you might not see a legal shooter. For those prices, you can get into Central Texas, just a longer drive. Most guys around here hunt it due to convenience but I think that will change this year.

[crunchtime]

You might be able to do that in Central Texas but it is really hard to run cattle in a swamp. Most all this land South of say Jasper/Chester is covered in water with no sustaninable forage for cattle. It is Pine thickets and swamps for the most part.




Sadly this is the case down here and I personally know of 2 divorces along with another that I do not know the guy over this exact topic. Guys thought they were doing a good thing by "securing the lease" for everyone and drained their savings and were not able to sell the lease spots to members. The Timber companies got their money this year but I am doubting they have good $$ coming in for 2010 leases here in East Texas.

There are a few places up near the lakes that are high $$, from $850-1,100 a year and you might not see a legal shooter. For those prices, you can get into Central Texas, just a longer drive. Most guys around here hunt it due to convenience but I think that will change this year.

I'm hearing alot about overpriced leases. I'll have to add a couple of members this year just to keep the annual dues below $1000. Both of the guys are willing to pay the said price but mentioned that that is a little high for ET.
I think they are willing to pay but said so only because it is trophy managed, bow only and it will give each hunter 150 acres each. Besides they are not on until they pay so it's not a for sure thing.
To me a $500 lease in ET is typically just that. "a $500 lease"
$700 to $800 is a fair price to me for a good managed lease with plenty of room for each hunter. JMO and I'm not saying that there's not some good leases out there for $500 but they are few and far between.

[47]

7 bucks an acre is CHEAP.

Sorry just saw where you are at, I have no knowledge of pricing in East Texas. I know around Brown Co. A lot of guys are paying twice that and maybe some more.

yep

[captainsling]

We are paying $5.50 an acre on a Crown Pine lease. We are just SE of Nac.
4 guys, 400 acres, $550 a person. We have taken a few nice deer over the last 2 seasons in the 120" range. Lots of hogs, and deer if you work for them.

I have paid more in S. Texas and never seen a thing.

[John_b]

I have never been in the east Texas pine area and I really don't know what the percieved problem is. I did compute the math on 400 acres @$7.00. This divided by 4 hunters = $700 each and you have 100 acres that is your area to hunt. IMO you East Texas bow slayers still have it good and I envy you.

[DRT]

I paid $11 an acre and haven't seen a day light deer since opening day of rifle season.