We need one of those measuring tapes like you used to see for fishing where 6" is marked as 10"
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Originally posted by keep View PostI got to think that this was the GW's way of stressing the importance without hitting them in the pocket book. I don't think the point would have hit home if he would have slapped the kid on the back and said good job, you're close but not quite there but it was a nice shot, good luck next weekend and try not to do it again. (I'm trying to give the gw the benefit of doubt)
By him acting that way I bet the kid and dad will be very cautious next time. (not that they weren't this time) He may have just acted more upset than he truly was to make the kid understand. (I hope) I don't know of a GW that isn't tickled to death when a kid gets a deer.
I wasn't there so I don't know if the gw had reason to believe adult was in another violation....the actions just seemed excessive for the described offense & could leave some kids disheartened over what should have been a very positive hunting experience and not to mention the importance of the gw role with us as hunters.
There is an old saying that you never get a second chance to make a 1st impression. Not sure a 2 hour hold and intense search is the way to stamp a kids memory over such a petty infraction.
1/4"
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This is where I have issues with Antler Restrictions. How do you tell a kid that No you cannot shoot that buck, he is not big enough...
It seems they are taking the sport out of hunting...
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Originally posted by Howard View PostThe first couple bucks I shot, I was a teenager and hunting alone. They were not 13" but might as well been 200" racks as excited as I was and just as proud! First couple yrs ihunted and got hooked I never saw a 13 " wide buck.... Would I still be hunting deer today had I not shot those bucks and got so hooked- probably not! I personally think there should be no antler restrictions for a child! Otherwise I support it! Hunting small low deer places and then telling a kid that finally sees a nice buck he ain't big enough is insulting to the hunting tradition/heritage
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OK so great the kid got a deer. BUT by definition it was an illegal deer. The GW is paid to enforce ALL game laws at all times, and with that a certain level of discretion comes into play. Glad the GW allowed them to go without a citation, but why cry about 2 hours of lost time? Who is to say that if a person will shoot a deer that is not legal, there are not several other violations or potential violations? Obviously this youth is not a rookie if he is getting warned about incorrectly filling out the tag on the deer, which is another violation, but who is ultimately responsible for educating the youth in the correct and legal way to take animals, from start to finish? I put this all on the shoulders of the adult in the group for not paying closer attention to the details, and training the youths in the correct manner of taking animals, and documenting it.
So just in case someone comes along who just happens to be doing their JOB, everything is legal, and well within the requirements, and this thread doesnt happen. And Artos I would like to know which is more petty, 1/4 inch or incorrectly filling out the license log, because apparently both infractions happened, and neither was cited by the GW. And how many years does this go on until finally the hunter gets cited, and comes on here mad as a hornet saying "I been doing it like that for years, and nothing ever happened!"? Rules is rules, and however slight they may be broken, they can still be enforced!!
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Originally posted by TX_Kevin View PostI am not a big fan of challenging the law, but I have to think that a good lawyer might make a mess of that guy if he had ticketed the youth. If the deer was heavy horned as you say, and everything in the book was correct, then I'd have to think it was in excess of 13" too. I don't quite understand how someone can add a strict measurement to something that is to be estimated in real time.
I have been around measurements and woodworking my entire life. I can't see the difference between 12 3/4 and 13 without a ruler at 20 yards, much less rifle range. How do you guys actually tell? you have to estimate, based on factors that could vary slightly between animals, but you darn sure better be exactly right. Just my .02
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Originally posted by greatwhite View PostThe book says " To determine if a buck has an inside spread measurement of at least 13 inches, look at the distance from ear-tip to ear-tip on a buck with ears in the alert position."
My question is: If you shoot a buck that has less than 13 inch inside spread but is outside the ears due to having smaller than average ears, is he legal?
On the flip side: If you shoot a buck that has more than 13 inch inside spread but is inside the ears due to having larger than average ears, is he illegal?
Me personally, I will only go after a buck that is on the outside of the ears.
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Originally posted by Howard View PostI personally think there should be no antler restrictions for a child!
From a law enforcement perspecive, it would be difficult to enforce a "no spread limit" for kids, because, unfortunately, there will be some knuckle head that will shoot a buck and claim that it was his kid that shot it. Its too bad that rules have to be made for the lowest common denominator (folks who disregard the law), because everyone suffers, including the majority of folks who do obey the law.
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Originally posted by 3pairs12 View PostI have had that conversation with my kid a few times. Its hard when they are waiting to get their first buck and one that is probably a little to narrow is feeding out in front of you. I just told my kid the law is the law and if we break that law that makes us no better than poachers. They get sad but they get over it. It's much better than other side of the coin where if you are lucky you just get lectured real good.
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