Ballistics Help: .308

[EnglishRedneck]

Best pig dropping 308 round that won't break the bank is the black hills accubond load. It was 5/8accurate in my Tikka, and has decent cotrolled expansion. If money's no object, then the Federal TSX loads are good. Hornady and Federal both make High Energy loads that come close to 30-06 velocities, just make sure to use a controlled expansion bullet.

(Not picking a fight, but the A-Max has too thin a jacket for big hogs. It is designed like a ballistic tip to open very fast. They are great on soft skins, but a big hog will require precise shot placement for an A-Max. Good news is they are very accurate, but there are better choices for hogs.)

[EnglishRedneck]

That's a bold statement

OK, I'll qualify that... even with a jacket separation a properly placed gameking will still drop a 70lb pig. If the shot is off, or the pig is a 150lb, then inadequate penetration will result. I had a corelokt jacket separation on a 130lb doe last year using a borrowed 25-06 (left my bow behind....) and she still dropped.

[EnglishRedneck]

Impact velocity at 182 yds will be around 2300fps, not enough to cause a separation. I think it was more a matter of sighting in at the wrong distance, and not knowing the drops for a given range. Bad hit and tough critters. I feel for him, it sucks to lose any animal, he must be really bummed to lose 2!

[Chance Love]

Chew,

That 165 gr. GameKing is a great bullet. That's what I load for my 30-06, and there is no telling how many deer and hogs have been shot with it--somewhere in the hundreds. I have never had jacket separation. As far as hunting bullets, they don't get much better.

[Chew]

Thanks for all the info guys. I sent him a link to this thread to keep him busy!

Anybody know the bullet drop chart for a .50 cal muzzleloader that is sighted in dead on at 100 yds? I'm on the way to Canada and ain't usin' a bow! I'm gonna be a pole smoker like Jaspro! =)

[EnglishRedneck]

Thanks for all the info guys. I sent him a link to this thread to keep him busy!

Anybody know the bullet drop chart for a .50 cal muzzleloader that is sighted in dead on at 100 yds? I'm on the way to Canada and ain't usin' a bow! I'm gonna be a pole smoker like Jaspro! =)

Do you know your MV and BC? I can run one for you

[Chew]

Sorry....I sure don't. I'm using the outfitter's muzzleloader so i don't have to mess with Customs and all that. All I know is it's a Traditions Pursuit inline .50. I"ll try to google some info on it.

Edit: A quick search showed a middle of the pack MV of 1812 with a 4.8" drop at 150 yds and 14" drop at 200. Those weren't exact but close to what I remember. 150 yds will be my max shot.

[460XVR]

OK, I'll qualify that... even with a jacket separation a properly placed gameking will still drop a 70lb pig. If the shot is off, or the pig is a 150lb, then inadequate penetration will result. I had a corelokt jacket separation on a 130lb doe last year using a borrowed 25-06 (left my bow behind....) and she still dropped.

Really...Well perhaps the critters in my crosshairs just have more "hoospa". I've made properly placed shots on 70 lbs pigs from 50 - 300 yds w/ a 308, 300RUM, 460XVR, etc, where there wasn't bullet separation, & they still didn't "drop", infact, some of them made it quite a ways before "dropping".

As I said above, I'm not saying the gameking isn't sufficient or that the shot placement was perfect, but the fact of the matter is that there are better bullet choices that allow for a greater margin of shot placement error but still produce ethical kills. It's a matter of matching the bullet to the application, & making a good shot; same as w/ bowhunting.

Would a field point kill a pig if properly placed; of course, but a broadhead is a better choice b/c it allows for a greater margin of shot placement error & better performance; same is true w/ bullet design, use & application.

Impact velocity at 182 yds will be around 2300fps, not enough to cause a separation.

I think this depends upon what it runs into @ 182 yds. If it hits a paper target, I'd agree; however if it's a hogs head, I wouldn't be as sure of it.

Chew, best of luck to your friend finding a selection that works for him.

This may be of help to ya: http://muzzleloadingbullets.com/muzz...allistics.html

[EnglishRedneck]

460, I think we are on the same side here, but you seem determined to nit-pick. Fine.
If you havn't had an animal drop at a shot, don't give up, you'll get one!

The gameking is a decent, inexpensive hunting bullet. It's nothing special, but still separations are rare. If I was to be using a bullet on a deer, it would probably be a Ballistic Tip so I get rapid contolled expansion. As I mentioned before, Hogs are tougher and deserve a tougher bullet - Accubond, TBBC, TSX etc. I use Accubonds. Doesn't mean you're wrong if you use a TUG if you feel like it. Just use a tough bullet.

[460XVR]

460, I think we are on the same side here, but you seem determined to nit-pick. Fine.
If you havn't had an animal drop at a shot, don't give up, you'll get one!

not nit pickin, just stating fact based upon bullet construction & experience. Anytime you Wanna go sling some lead son, gimme a jingle. My # is 210-771-6151. I don't mind travel, I'll fly to DFW & oblige ya. How about 100,200,400 & 600 yd targets. 10 shots on each/ $1k for smallest group on each target. Say when.

[EnglishRedneck]

wow. This is a forum for friendly debate, if you're going to get all bent out of shape and trying to throw your weight around every time someone has a different opinion then it's going to start taking up a lot of server space... No hard feelings, next time I'm in SA, I'll give you a ring and we can go play.

[bmac]

I use hornady 150gr SST, 150gr interbond, or Barnes TTSX 130gr and have had the 250#pigs take 1 step. Everything I have shot with the 150gr SST have gone less then 10 ft. Have shot some with other calibers w/ soft point and they will run because they don't open up and the energy transfer is lower. Because of that all I use is a tipped bullet usally made by hornady.

[rocoso]

All I shoot is 165 gr. GK BTSP in my 30-06. I have a house full of horns and antlers to prove that they work just fine.